21rbs roof Ladder

[daplumbr]

Although not a 21RBS or a 2017, you can see in general there's really not a lot of "structure" in these frames to fasten things like ladders. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jp64IGoUnNE

[docktorjj]

The dealer I purchased from suggested mounting a ladder to the bumper as suggested here.  The dealer even called the factory and they gave him the same BS of no backers. Well why can't the azdel wall be removed and a backer added, it's only a bath wall.

I do not drink beer; White wine Please.

I really did not want to take a ladder when we begin to semi-time (NOT full-time yet).  Thanks Merlin for the idea of using the truck for the extra height. As for the dealer doing service he's in Alabama about 10 hours away. The ONLY dealer in Florida is in Jacksonville and when we bought they had NO, NADA, NONE of any product line from Livin Lite - some dealer?  So I will do my own service and mods as I did on our beloved Casita for sixteen years.

I am really excited about this 21RBS unit which we are still seeking a name for and when I figure out how to do pic's I'll post my mods.  Words are OK, but pictures show you how to do it.  I really appreciate what I have seen so far on this forum and have gotten some great ideas - THANK YOU everyone.

[livinlitepaul]

[quote source="/post/23967/thread" author="@docktorjj" timestamp="1471574355"][font face="arial"]Can a roof ladder be added to a 2017 21rbs; say resting and attached to the bumper?[/font][/quote]I checked with Eng. on your situation and it was brought to my attention that there was not enough backers in the frame of the back wall to support a rear ladder. -pr

[fasteddieb]

Again, I can see a ladder supported at its base by the bumper and at the top to the roof - cantilevered away from the back wall, as it were, with no back wall support necessary.

I think that could work.

[pinstriper]

We need to start a pool on this one.

[charliem]

[quote source="/post/25769/thread" author="@pinstriper" timestamp="1478621613"]We need to start a pool on this one.
[/quote][font size="3"]You mean a pool to fall into when the ladder comes off?     . Seriously, FastEddie is correct in that the bumper would and could support all the dead weight. IMO the problem is the dynamic load of the climber. I originally thought the roof structure would handle the shear load on the ladder if a high curved ladder, similar to a swimming pool ladder, were anchored to the roof. But thinking of the dynamic load imposed by a swinging climber I'm reconsidering. If one were to climb slowly and carefully it might be OK, but the separate external ladder is still best. [/font]

[pinstriper]

[quote source="/post/25787/thread" timestamp="1478703824" author="@charliem"][quote source="/post/25769/thread" timestamp="1478621613" author="@pinstriper"]We need to start a pool on this one.
[/quote][font size="3"]You mean a pool to fall into when the ladder comes off?     . Seriously, FastEddie is correct in that the bumper would and could support all the dead weight. IMO the problem is the dynamic load of the climber. I originally thought the roof structure would handle the shear load on the ladder if a high curved ladder, similar to a swimming pool ladder, were anchored to the roof. But thinking of the dynamic load imposed by a swinging climber I'm reconsidering. If one were to climb slowly and carefully it might be OK, but the separate external ladder is still best. [/font]
[/quote]I don't think the bumper is the primary problem, but I do think it won't hold the weight, for some of us anyway <g>. It's the attachment at the top, and it's going to pull through the aluminum skin and/or pull the skin off the framing, with a result much like Clark Griswold on his ladder attaching the lights.

So I got $1 in the pool that says so. Others can take the "it'll be no problem". But we need someone to hold the money and make the book.

I nominate Merlin.

[daplumbr]

[quote timestamp="1478707130" source="/post/25788/thread" author="@pinstriper"][quote source="/post/25787/thread" timestamp="1478703824" author="@charliem"][font size="3"]You mean a pool to fall into when the ladder comes off?        . Seriously, FastEddie is correct in that the bumper would and could support all the dead weight. IMO the problem is the dynamic load of the climber. I originally thought the roof structure would handle the shear load on the ladder if a high curved ladder, similar to a swimming pool ladder, were anchored to the roof. But thinking of the dynamic load imposed by a swinging climber I'm reconsidering. If one were to climb slowly and carefully it might be OK, but the separate external ladder is still best. [/font]
[/quote]I don't think the bumper is the primary problem, but I do think it won't hold the weight, for some of us anyway <g>. It's the attachment at the top, and it's going to pull through the aluminum skin and/or pull the skin off the framing, with a result much like Clark Griswold on his ladder attaching the lights.

So I got $1 in the pool that says so. Others can take the "it'll be no problem". But we need someone to hold the money and make the book.

I nominate Merlin.


[/quote]I'm in. I use my younger dog as my bookie; he's smart as whip and doesn't abscond with very much of the money. His line right now is 11:1 in favor of a ladder attached to the camper not working. I take paypal, visa, MC, Discover, AE, Panera, Walmart, cash, check, direct deposit, and boxes of poop bags (unopened).