Tire size changes on Camplites

[oleo]

I noticed recent changes to Camplite website.  It is showing 15" tires on ALL the Camplite models except the 11FK.  Are all the models currently being manufactured with 15" tires?

[drdave]

It sure looks like it.   Most show 1 4400lb. axle

  Once again the website shows some conflicting info:  


Both of the 21 foots say 15" tires, yet when you click on the blue standards and options button it shows 2 x 3500 lb. axles with 14" tires.   They did update the 16 TBS image to show 1 axle, however alll the other 14 and 16 ft. trailer images show 2 axles.

[blairh]

[quote source="/post/17894/thread" timestamp="1453222497" author="@oleo"]I noticed recent changes to Camplite website.  It is showing 15" tires on ALL the Camplite models except the 11FK.  Are all the models currently being manufactured with 15" tires?[/quote]Yes. All the Camplite travel trailer models, except the 11FK are now standard with 15" tires.

2015 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 14DB (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 14DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16TBS (2 axles 13" tires)
- 21RBS (2 axles, 14" tires) *Edited. Should read 14", not 15"*
- 21BHS (2 axles, 14" tires) *Edited. Should read 14", not 15"*

2016 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire) [font color="000000"]No Changes[/font]
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discontinued
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 14DB (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 14DBS (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16DBS (2 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16TBS (1 axles 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 21RBS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes
- 21BHS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes

All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

Hopefully that helps, let me know if you have any questions.

[peislander]

Thanks Blair for the info. I see the above was your first posting here. Good to have you participate.

Do you work for Livin'Lite and if so what's your job description?

[charliem]

[quote source="/post/17963/thread" timestamp="1453611588" author="@blairh"]
All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

[/quote][font size="3"]Thanks, Blair, for that info, but I still have two questions:

1) With that reasoning why was the 16DBS not changed to single axle, or will it be?

2) What will the axles used on the 21s be rated at?[/font]

[ammobob]

[quote source="/post/17963/thread" timestamp="1453611588" author="@blairh"][quote source="/post/17894/thread" timestamp="1453222497" author="@oleo"]I noticed recent changes to Camplite website.  It is showing 15" tires on ALL the Camplite models except the 11FK.  Are all the models currently being manufactured with 15" tires?[/quote]Yes. All the Camplite travel trailer models, except the 11FK are now standard with 15" tires.

2015 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 14DB (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 14DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16TBS (2 axles 13" tires)
- 21RBS (2 axles, 15" tires)
- 21BHS (2 axles, 15" tires)

2016 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire) [font color="000000"]No Changes[/font]
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discontinued
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 14DB (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 14DBS (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16DBS (2 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16TBS (1 axles 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 21RBS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes
- 21BHS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes

All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

Hopefully that helps, let me know if you have any questions.

[/quote]I would question you stats listed above. We have a 2016 21BHS built May/June 2015. I just checked the tires and they are 14" tires. I think others that have had tire issues had 14" tires also. Your list has no 14" tires listed so what is the disconnect?

[bgewin]

[quote source="/post/17963/thread" timestamp="1453611588" author="@blairh"]All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

[font size="3"]Thanks, Blair, for that info, but I still have two questions:

1) With that reasoning why was the 16DBS not changed to single axle, or will it be?

2) What will the axles used on the 21s be rated at?[/font]
[/quote]



Same here.

[blairh]

[quote source="/post/17964/thread" timestamp="1453623720" author="@peislander"]Thanks Blair for the info. I see the above was your first posting here. Good to have you participate.

Do you work for Livin'Lite and if so what's your job description?[/quote]No problem    Thanks! I'm glad to have found this website. It's great to have a forum of Livin Lite owners where everyone can share stories, tips, get questions answered and ultimately continue to improve such a unique product. I do not work for Livin Lite. I work for Destination RV in Ontario, Canada. We have been a Livin Lite dealer since 2011 and have a great relationship with Livin Lite themselves. We've come to an agreement with Livin Lite to attend the Toronto RV Show on Feb 11-15 with an exclusive Livin Lite display. If there are any questions that I can help bring clarity to, I'll do my best. If I don't have the answer, I know who will   . I Look forward to chatting with everyone!

[blairh]

[quote source="/post/17965/thread" timestamp="1453647659" author="@charliem"][quote source="/post/17963/thread" timestamp="1453611588" author="@blairh"]All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

[/quote][font size="3"]Thanks, Blair, for that info, but I still have two questions:

1) With that reasoning why was the 16DBS not changed to single axle, or will it be?

2) What will the axles used on the 21s be rated at?[/font]
[/quote]Good questions. I had similar questions when the changes were made. To answer,
1) The answer from Livin Lite as to WHY the 16DBS was not changed to single axle was because of the floorplan layout. Ultimately, they did not want to go with single axle configurations. However the floorplan and location of weight across the frame required some models to change from tandem to single. The 16DBS varies slightly in floorplan from the 16TBS and was not required to have single axle. It pretty much came down to the refrigerator with surrounding cabinets being in front of the first axle that keeps the weight forward, allowing tandem axle configuration.
2) I'm not 100% certain, I'll confirm with the manufacturer tomorrow. My guess is that they're 2500# torsion axles, based on the GVWR. Some might ask why the lower capacity? With the dry weight being approx 3400 lbs, having a GVWR of approx 5K will leave 1600 lbs of cargo capacity. That's more than enough cargo capacity. Before, with 3500# axles they would have a cargo capacity of approx 4100#. That's overkill and necessary. Going to smaller axle capacity, still gives plenty of cargo capacity and reduces excess dry weight on the trailer. Plus, the cost will be less. No need add cost to get 4100# of cargo capacity   .

I'll get back to you on item #2, just to confirm axle size and reasoning.

[blairh]

[quote source="/post/17963/thread" timestamp="1453611588" author="@blairh"]Yes. All the Camplite travel trailer models, except the 11FK are now standard with 15" tires.

2015 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire)
- 14DB (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 14DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16DBS (2 axles, 13" tires)
- 16TBS (2 axles 13" tires)
- 21RBS (2 axles, 15" tires)
- 21BHS (2 axles, 15" tires)

2016 Axle and Tire Configurations:
- 11FK (1 axle, 13" tire) [font color="000000"]No Changes[/font]
- 11RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discontinued
- 13BHB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13QBB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 13RDB (1 axle, 13" tire) Floorplan Discoutinued
- 14DB (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 14DBS (1 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16DBS (2 axles, 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 16TBS (1 axles 15" tires) [font color="ff0000"]Changes[/font]
- 21RBS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes
- 21BHS (2 axles, 15" tires) No Changes

All axles being used on Camplite travel trailers are still Dexter Torflex axles. One of the reasons for making the change from tandem axles to single axle was simply due to having unbalance weight across the frame on the smaller tandem axle configurations. The hitch weight was too light, causing excess uplift. The hitch weight will increase slightly, but the smooth ride quality will remain the same. Plus, you'll have more cargo capacity and extra ground clearance. Keep in mind, some 2016 models may reflect the 2015 axle and tire configurations, depending on how early it was built in the year it was built.

Hopefully that helps, let me know if you have any questions.

I would question you stats listed above. We have a 2016 21BHS built May/June 2015. I just checked the tires and they are 14" tires. I think others that have had tire issues had 14" tires also. Your list has no 14" tires listed so what is the disconnect?[/quote]That makes sense. The challenge with the RV manufacturers releasing new model years between March-June of each year is that it creates confusion for owners in regards to whether or not it includes ALL the new design changes for the new model year. The truth is, 90% of the model changes for the new year aren't released to the dealers until September. In September, we have a dealer show were all new products changes are released for viewing. Most changes you won't see until late fall/early winter on newly built units only. It even confuses me  

In your situation, it sounds like your Camplite received the new model year of 2016 with possibly some minor changes. However, it will still have 90% of the 2015 features and design. The disconnect might be in where I made a error, the 2015 21' Camplites should show a 14" tire. I'll edit that, Thanks!

[charliem]

[font size="3"]Blair,

I join in welcoming you and thanking you for your participation.

I did recognize the fridge placement, and also suspect the queen mattress is heavier than the two singles because I think it's thicker. That makes sense and results in more weight on the tongue. That said, the bean counters still reign supreme so I'll be waiting for the fridge to move to the back.       

On the 3500 vs 2500 21s I understand the argument, but still don't like it. Cutting margin to save a few cents is unattractive. From what I understand there is little weight difference between the two axle models. The difference is in the type or length of rubber torsion material. Your answers from Thor will be interesting.
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[blairh]

[quote source="/post/17972/thread" timestamp="1453655604" author="@charliem"][font size="3"]Blair,

I join in welcoming you and thanking you for your participation.

I did recognize the fridge placement, and also suspect the queen mattress is heavier than the two singles because I think it's thicker. That makes sense and results in more weight on the tongue. That said, the bean counters still reign supreme so I'll be waiting for the fridge to move to the back.       

On the 3500 vs 2500 21s I understand the argument, but still don't like it. Cutting margin to save a few cents is unattractive. From what I understand there is little weight difference between the two axle models. The difference is in the type or length of rubber torsion material. Your answers from Thor will be interesting.
[/font][/quote]Thanks Charlie, i'm glad to be here with all of you.

Haha, yes unfortunately the bean counters are usually superior.    I understand. Keep in mind that its only a few dollars per unit, but times that by 100s of units per year and you know as well as I do... it adds up. As long as they don't sacrifice quality of their products, and the all aluminum design... I personally don't mind the 1400# cargo capacity as its substantial allowance for the size of trailer and the axles are still Dexter torsion. I'd rather see the difference in cost go back into the build quality to ensure the Livin Lite campers remain 100% aluminum structure. While Livin Lite is now owned by Thor they still remain a separate plant and organization building quality all aluminum campers. Just as Airstream has remained true to its value and design while under Thor Industries... so will Livin Lite. I've had many conversations with Livin Lite about that.  

Also, don't forget they've move up from 14" tires to 15". In theory the rolling resistance should be less, you'll have more ground clearance, lower RPMs (less rotations on bearings reducing temperature) and more load capacity per tire.
I'm still waiting for a reply, i'll confirm as soon as possible.

[bgewin]

I'm curious.  Is it possible to switch my 14 inch wheels for 15 inch on a 21BHS?  Or did they redesign the wheel well to fit the 15s?

[charliem]

[quote source="/post/18046/thread" timestamp="1453828106" author="@bgewin"]I'm curious.  Is it possible to switch my 14 inch wheels for 15 inch on a 21BHS?  Or did they redesign the wheel well to fit the 15s? [/quote][font size="3"]I don't know for sure if LL redesigned the wheel wells, but I doubt it. It would be easier to increase the axle angle as they did for the off road package. Remember the difference between 14" and 15" tires is nominally only one inch in diameter. The increased ground and wheel well clearance is only 1/2 inch and the tire to tire clearance only decreases by one inch. I also suspect one reason for the change is the decreasing availability of 14" tires. Overall the change to 15" wheels is good and a retrofit is only limited by $$$. [/font]

[christianm]

[quote source="/post/18046/thread" author="@bgewin" timestamp="1453828106"]I'm curious.  Is it possible to switch my 14 inch wheels for 15 inch on a 21BHS?  Or did they redesign the wheel well to fit the 15s? [/quote]My rep is saying no- because the wheel well was not redesigned to fit it. :-)