Single axle 16 TBS ??

[charleschapman]

Picked up the 16 TBS from Harolds yesterday.  Ken there did a great job with our PDI.  Ford neglected to include the tow vehicle charger relay with the truck that has a tow package.  Parts guy at Ford has the relay on the counter waiting for me.  As for C Load rating of the tires the dealer showed us the ratings vs. the trailers GVWR (I do not remember the exact number but it was greater than 2500) and these tires exceed the GVWR.  I will take pictures of the tires with the load rating and upload here later.  The twin axles were not giving the trailer enough tongue weight so we are fine with the the single axle.  The trailer's GVWR is now under 5000 LBS so we have around 1400 + cargo capability.  We were fortunate to get the aluminum roof not sure where they are headed but glad we ordered back in October.     Not sure what direction LL is headed but I hope they stay true to the all aluminum construction vs. all aluminum structure.

[spot1]

[quote timestamp="1457190492" author="@charleschapman" source="/post/19216/thread"]Picked up the 16 TBS from Harolds yesterday.  Ken there did a great job with our PDI.  Ford neglected to include the tow vehicle charger relay with the truck that has a tow package.  Parts guy at Ford has the relay on the counter waiting for me.  As for C Load rating of the tires the dealer showed us the ratings vs. the trailers GVWR (I do not remember the exact number but it was greater than 2500) and these tires exceed the GVWR.  I will take pictures of the tires with the load rating and upload here later.  The twin axles were not giving the trailer enough tongue weight so we are fine with the the single axle.  The trailer's GVWR is now under 5000 LBS so we have around 1400 + cargo capability.  We were fortunate to get the aluminum roof not sure where they are headed but glad we ordered back in October.     Not sure what direction LL is headed but I hope they stay true to the all aluminum construction vs. all aluminum structure. [/quote]Congrats on your 16 TBS!!!!!!!   Please post camping photos of your future adventures!

[charleschapman]

Took pictures of the Manufacture Data Plate for 16 TBS we received yesterday:

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One can see that the vehicle has GVWR of 4842 lbs.


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The single axle tires have a rating of 2340 lbs at 50 PSI.  

2340 x 2 = 4680

There is a delta of - 162 lbs for the tires provided by LL.

My understanding for determine the correct trailer tire load rating it is the GVWR + 20% (safety factor? from my Google research).  Now that would be 5810 lbs for determining load range of the trailers tires with a GVWR of 4842.  So looks like I need to call LL and have them explain their math and why they put tires on our trailer that do not meet their GVWR?

Feel free to check my math. 

[charliem]

[quote timestamp="1457217519" author="@charleschapman" source="/post/19229/thread"]Took pictures of the Manufacture Data Plate for 16 TBS we received yesterday:



One can see that the vehicle has GVWR of 4842 lbs.





The single axle tires have a rating of 2340 lbs at 50 PSI.  

2340 x 2 = 4680

There is a delta of - 162 lbs for the tires provided by LL.

My understanding for determine the correct trailer tire load rating it is the GVWR + 20% (safety factor? from my Google research).  Now that would be 5810 lbs for determining load range of the trailers tires with a GVWR of 4842.  So looks like I need to call LL and have them explain their math and why they put tires on our trailer that do not meet their GVWR?

Feel free to check my math. 

[/quote][font size="3"]The axle is rated at 4400 which is less than 2x4680. The tires will handle a fully loaded axle with some margin. GVWR is the 4400 axle plus the 442 tongue weight = 4842. Don't know where the +20% comes from.[/font]

[charleschapman]

[quote timestamp="1457220589" author="@charliem" source="/post/19234/thread"][quote timestamp="1457217519" source="/post/19229/thread" author="@charleschapman"]Took pictures of the Manufacture Data Plate for 16 TBS we received yesterday:



One can see that the vehicle has GVWR of 4842 lbs.





The single axle tires have a rating of 2340 lbs at 50 PSI.  

2340 x 2 = 4680

There is a delta of - 162 lbs for the tires provided by LL.

My understanding for determine the correct trailer tire load rating it is the GVWR + 20% (safety factor? from my Google research).  Now that would be 5810 lbs for determining load range of the trailers tires with a GVWR of 4842.  So looks like I need to call LL and have them explain their math and why they put tires on our trailer that do not meet their GVWR?

Feel free to check my math. 

[/quote][font size="3"]The axle is rated at 4400 which is less than 2x4680. The tires will handle a fully loaded axle with some margin. GVWR is the 4400 axle plus the 442 tongue weight = 4842. Don't know where the +20% comes from.[/font]
[/quote]http://www.carlstargroup.com/cms_files/original/Trailer_Tires__Tips_Best_Practices.pdf  is where I got the 20% from. 

– The combined capacity of all of the tires should exceed the loaded
 trailer weight by 20 percent.

[daplumbr]

Interesting data on the new TBS. I see there is a discrepancy between tires specified on the trailer sticker and the tires delivered. The sticker says 225/75-15 load range D, which have a max weight rating of 2530 lbs each at 65 psi. The trailer was delivered with 235/75-15 load range C tires which have a max weight rating of 2340 lbs at 50 psi. (And both iterations are far below the axle/tire weight ratings of the dual axle TBS.) I would be interested in LL's explanation of why they installed a different size and rated tire than specified on the sticker of the new TBS. 

[charleschapman]

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Charlie M wanted to see our rear bumper.  

[daplumbr]

[quote timestamp="1457876468" author="Homer" source="/post/19523/thread"][div][/div]I am partial to the single axle 16TBS, although they still make the dual axle version.  I need the higher clearance and the optional off-road package which is a great selling point.  It comes with off-road tires and a riser to give it more ground clearance.  And, of course, it comes with a spare tire under the midsection of the unit.[/quote]The off-road package was available in the dual-axle version (at least it was in 2015). It does look like the single axle version is much higher off the ground, as documented earlier. 

[charleschapman]

Since picking up our TBS we have been busy but this list of "mods" is pale to some I have seen on this forum.  Just trying to make it ours:

Max Flo Air Vent Covers (X2)
Solar Panel Hook up at battery
Black Battery Box on rear bumper to store black water gloves etc.
Receiver hitch on back bumper for bike carrier
Wireless Back Up Camera/Rear view mirror
Strong Box for storing valuables
7 pin plug holder
High Pressure Propane connector at tank for outside stove/grill connection
Clear elbow for black water pipe (You need to check your work and you can not do that without seeing it flow clear)
TP Holder Mounted High (Spent a lot of money on this camper but it comes without a TP Holder)
Mud dabber guard for the heater
Marsh mellow roasting forks storage tube
Tow mirror extensions
Eyebolt for dog cable clip in
Kitchen drawers and general organization
Sheets, pillows and bedding
Grab handle in the head,  Hard to stand up without one and the door closed. 
Battery cut off switch on the battery box.  Something was draining the battery. 
LED lights with dimmer and night light.  Way too bright at night inside.
Clear black water hose elbow and and 90 adapter at end of the hose. 

In Progress:

Tow vehicle has these fancy fox coil over springs causing the rear with tow load to hang low.  Air bags install at the end of the month.

Coat hooks install 
Key hooks install 

Front storage organization

Looking to find a mattress/foam piece that fits between the two twins when not set up as a king


First Shake down trip on 1 April to Promised Land State Park PA completed!


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[chuck]

Maiden Voyage / Shake Down Trip Question:

First camping trip this weekend.  Temperatures are expected to be below freezing @ 27 degrees F on Saturday night with a high of 37 on Sunday.  Should I not use the water tank and stay dry camping?  I plan on draining all when done and blowing out the lines with the pancake air compressor (not exceeding 50PSI) when done on Sunday. Thoughts dry or wet?  

[mitch]

If it were me I'd stay dry but I'm very cautious about that sort of thing.  I won't even de-winterize until my 10 day weather forecast shows temps above freezing for all 10 days.

[david]

You might be ok, but like mitch, I wouldn't risk it. Particularly be careful about driving in below freezing temps. 60 mph will quickly freeze the pipes if it is below freezing.

David

[charleschapman]

Well the shake down trip last weekend, sans water, was a good shake down cruise.  When we arrived on Friday it was in the 70's.  When we left on Sunday it was 23 with sustained winds at 20 with gusts in the 40's including snow over night.  We can attest the the heater works great!  I had my concerns about driving in windy and gusty conditions but we had no no  issues.  The to do list got a little longer IE wood blocks for the stabilizers.


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[daplumbr]

Nice photos. I'm always impressed with pics of camping in the snow.

In an earlier post, you mentioned dimmers on the LED lights. Elaborate on that sometime. Maybe post a separate thread in the Modifications section. I'm working on that and would like some ideas especially for the lights over the beds.

[charleschapman]

Merlin they are Starlights @ Amazon <http://www.amazon.com/Starlights-BL-3003-Interior-Ceiling-Replacement/dp/B005GY6VDA?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01>.  They do not dim down as much as I want.  We also put the night light module in in too.