QS6 or QS10 Replacement Mattress?

[moon]

We bought a used QS 8.0 with old and worn original mattresses that needed to be replaced immediately. The mattress sizes are irregular at 48" x 84" and we saw that stack height for mattresses would be limited (too much height would not allow the top to shut tight). We ended up going for a CHEAP but great solution:  IKEA. We purchased two LOVAS couch mattresses and covered them with an inexpensive waterproof/tickproof cover. I did have to cut them and custom sew the covers... Being that they are built for a couch there are two foam mattresses for each side, but we cannot feel the seam where they come together when we sleep on both bunks. They are just over 4" thick and we take half of one of the mattress out on the sink side so that the top will shut completely (stows under the couch/table are in a custom plastic sleeve). This has been wonderful as we can wash the covers and they are easily brought into the house for storage since each side is two pieces. Until someone thinks of something better and cheaper than $90 per side that was my best solution.
I have noticed air mattresses for SUV's that would be my second choice as they are an irregular size that would fit the QS, but they wouldn't insulate like ours. In 20 degree weather camping at Palo Duro State park we were super comfortable on our Ikea mattresses with just two small space heaters.

[chuck893]

I promised to report, but we have still not been out this season. However, from Walmart I ordered and received the Spa Sensations 4'' Memory Foam Mattress Topper, queen size, to fit the queen end of our QS 8.1. We only just got the camper open last week and put the mattress in. It turns out to be a little wider than the bed frame (length is perfect), plus of course it is 4 full inches thick, so between the extra height and slight width it's a little tough to close the lid. It's also heavier. It will take some finessing. We're already used to some of that since for the last two seasons we have had a thin topper on the factory mattress. We have completely replaced the factory+topper mattress with the 4" memory foam.

We're trying to get out for a spring shakedown next week to actually sleep on it. I'll let you know!


http://www.walmart.com/ip/4569415?registryId=99540025365&listId=0d9b1a55-1880-4929-ac38-3b00cf7cda46&listType=WL (Price has gone up $10 since we ordered ours but shipping is free right to the door.)

[dh50]

I promised to report, but we have still not been out this season. However, from Walmart I ordered and received the Spa Sensations 4'' Memory Foam Mattress Topper, queen size, to fit the queen end of our QS 8.1. We only just got the camper open last week and put the mattress in. It turns out to be a little wider than the bed frame (length is perfect), plus of course it is 4 full inches thick, so between the extra height and slight width it's a little tough to close the lid. It's also heavier. It will take some finessing. We're already used to some of that since for the last two seasons we have had a thin topper on the factory mattress. We have completely replaced the factory+topper mattress with the 4" memory foam.

[font color="#f82c10" size="4"]We're trying to get out for a spring shakedown next week to actually sleep on it. I'll let you know![/font]


http://www.walmart.com/ip/4569415?registryId=99540025365&listId=0d9b1a55-1880-4929-ac38-3b00cf7cda46&listType=WL (Price has gone up $10 since we ordered ours but shipping is free right to the door.)

Happy for you!  Good reminder for us in the South to be grateful for the year round camping opportunities we have.   Alas, we take it for granted all too often!

Have a good, restful time, especially on your new mattress fixin's. 

[whoofit]

[quote source="/post/10618/thread" timestamp="1431347284" author="@chuck893"]I promised to report, but we have still not been out this season. However, from Walmart I ordered and received the Spa Sensations 4'' Memory Foam Mattress Topper, queen size, to fit the queen end of our QS 8.1. We only just got the camper open last week and put the mattress in. It turns out to be a little wider than the bed frame (length is perfect), plus of course it is 4 full inches thick, so between the extra height and slight width it's a little tough to close the lid. It's also heavier. It will take some finessing. We're already used to some of that since for the last two seasons we have had a thin topper on the factory mattress. We have completely replaced the factory+topper mattress with the 4" memory foam.

We're trying to get out for a spring shakedown next week to actually sleep on it. I'll let you know!


http://www.walmart.com/ip/4569415?registryId=99540025365&listId=0d9b1a55-1880-4929-ac38-3b00cf7cda46&listType=WL (Price has gone up $10 since we ordered ours but shipping is free right to the door.)[/quote]Is it really only 18lbs for the Queen? Some of these are boat anchor heavy. Weight is also a good way to judge density of these. Thanks!

[swbc150]

I use this, from Cabela's.
I bought this one over 15 yrs ago from Cabela's and at a lower price than at Today's Price.

I am now using it in my BC16FK on top of the thin mattress that LL Provided and I am sleeping excellent with this additional top sleeping pad. The outer cover zips off for easy washing.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Camping/Camp-Bedding/Sleeping-Pads%7C/pc/104795280/c/104712480/sc/104484780/Cabelas-Deluxe-Camp-Beds/732419.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fsleeping-pads%2F_%2FN-1100678%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104484780

[sidecarmike]

[quote source="/post/7313/thread" timestamp="1425138140" author="@sg"][quote source="/post/4269/thread" timestamp="1413465106" author="@quicksilverbill"]I, too, have some reservations about the air mattress strategy since many seem not to have held up well. But since this one had very good customer reviews and since REI is great about full refunds in case of failure, we thought it worth a try. However, we're also keeping our 2" closed cell foam pad in place--just in case. At least if the mattress leaks we won't be left sleeping on a bare platform. We'll see how it works out.[/quote]Hi Quicksilverbill,

How is the "Kamp-Rite Self Inflating Pad" working out for you?  I was looking at the queen size as complete mattress replacement in our 8.0, and hoping they could stay in place.  I added D rings on the bed ends and now tie in the original mattress for the flip open and close. We have been slipping thermarests under the original mattresses (3" and 1" thick), and are comfortable, but I would like to eliminate handling them.

Is the Kamp-Rite comfortable by itself without your extra closed cell foam pad?  Do you think you could swing the bed ends, and close the camper with these mattresses in place?

Thanks for your help.  I hope you have a comfortable bed.

sg[/quote][p]I know this is an old thread, but I ordered a Kamp-rite today.  We've tried the two Thermarest trick in the past, but they are too narrow and slide around.  Additionally, ours are only 2 inches thick.  We'll strap this in place and simply open the valves for storage.  It makes me think I'll eventually remove the original mattress completely, but will try both first.  Stay tuned for results.[/p][p]
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[chuck893]

[quote source="/post/10680/thread" timestamp="1431427258" author="@whoofit"][/quote]It does seem to weigh around 18 pounds, heavier than the factory mattress, but I haven't actually weighed it and it's out of the box now. We are going out Monday (5-18) and coming back Wednesday, so we'll have two nights on it. You're right that being lighter weight than some of the others it is probably less dense. We sure hope it's more comfortable than the factory + thin topper that finally got to my hips last season. It at least is the full 4" thick. 

[whoofit]

[p]Here's hoping, Chuck. Am interested in your take. My trailer could use a little padding. 18lbs and workable would be welcomed. I just ordered this one overnighted. Not memory foam and only 3.5". Should only weigh 12lbs or so. Testing this weekend. We shall see.[/p][p]
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[whoofit]

[quote source="/post/10775/thread" timestamp="1431546498" author="@chuck893"] We are going out Monday (5-18) and coming back Wednesday, so we'll have two nights on it. We sure hope it's more comfortable than the factory + thin topper that finally got to my hips last season. It at least is the full 4" thick. 
[/quote]I guess Chuck has found a good match. He has now overslept for 24 hours. That must be one heck of a mattress. I'm jealous...

[chuck893]

[quote source="/post/11193/thread" author="@whoofit" timestamp="1432251110"][quote source="/post/10775/thread" author="@chuck893" timestamp="1431546498"] We are going out Monday (5-18) and coming back Wednesday, so we'll have two nights on it. We sure hope it's more comfortable than the factory + thin topper that finally got to my hips last season. It at least is the full 4" thick. 
[/quote]I guess Chuck has found a good match. He has now overslept for 24 hours. That must be one heck of a mattress. I'm jealous...
[/quote]Hardy har har!  (rofl) Hokay! The new 4" memory-foam mattress is GREAT, except that it's possibly a little too soft and thick. It was pretty hard for my bride to get out of bed. She may need to rethink how she does it. Pushing off the mattress as she used to do is much harder since the new mattress is so much thicker and softer. I notice that it's also harder for me to roll over for the same reason, and also a little harder even for me to get out of bed although I use a different technique (I crawl. I sleep on the outside so she doesn't have to crawl over me). Nevertheless I slept well and my hips did not hurt in the morning! That's what I was hoping for.

The mattress is definitely a keeper. We have an ordinary queen-size fitted bottom sheet on it (we use sleeping bags rather than making beds). The sheet fits fine despite being made for a much thicker mattress. 

The challenge posed by the thing is that it is (1) 4 full inches thick, twice as thick as the factory mattress, and (2) it is maybe an inch or so wider than the bed frame. That, coupled with it being about 18 pounds makes it a challenge to get the rig closed. We used to hold the factory mattress in the frame as we brought it over (we have never put in fittings for strapping it in---maybe we should). Even when we added a thin egg crate topper we could still close the lid and snap the tonneau. With this heavier mattress we are sliding it out of the frame onto the top of the closed tent, closing the lid, and trying to somehow get the mattress to fit inside the lip of the frame, but the resistance is pretty high. Getting it stuffed under the lip on both ends is easy, but neither of us has the reach to stuff it under the lip in the center so it tends to hold the lid up. A lot! We've only dealt with it a couple of times so far so there's a learning curve, but right now the "lid" is sticking up far enough that we can't fully snap the tonneau, so that means it's not weather sealed. It's a problem we must somehow solve.

Since we've owned Rose we've always followed the factory recommendation of closing "small end first," so the big end of the tent rests on top of the small end. The next time we go out I think I may try reversing that to see if I might gain more clearance for the thicker, wider mattress. If the big end of the tent is lying lower in the box...? Maybe?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/4569415?registryId=99540025365&listId=0d9b1a55-1880-4929-ac38-3b00cf7cda46&listType=WL

[sidecarmike]

The Kamp rite arrived.  It's very nice.  As the instructions stated, it took about 3 days to self inflate the first time.  Now, if you roll it up, let it set overnight, and unroll it, it takes about 35 minutes.  Very comfortable on the living room floor, so I think it will be fine in the camper.  We plan to leave it unrolled in the camper, and just open the valves when we fold it up.

I'm recovering from a knee replacement, so it's probably another month before we get to camp with it.

[charliem]

[quote source="/post/11592/thread" timestamp="1432777866" author="@sidecarmike"]I'm recovering from a knee replacement, so it's probably another month before we get to camp with it.[/quote][font size="3"]This must be a group of old guys falling apart. I'm starting my third week of recovery from my second TKR. I had the other knee replaced 3 months ago. The prognosis is good, but damn it's painful. See you hobbling around the campground  [/font]


[font size="3"]What's the difference between a therapist and a terrorist? You can negotiate with a terrorist [/font]

[jagwire64]

We have an 8.1 and purchased this one at Walmart:  http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dream-Serenity-4-Memory-Foam-Topper-Multiple-Sizes/22884911

They usually have it in stock, on the shelf.  The dimensions are a little different than Chuck's I thought they were the same.  Walmart may have different stock based on region.  It fit the 8.1 queen perfectly, however, I also had trouble closing it in place.  Chuck, I don't think you can close the big side first on the 8.1.  I tried it several times and the biminis get fouled up.  I believe you must close the small side first.  

I keep the factory mattress where it is.  I keep the memory foam topper rolled up and tucked in the space between the AC unit and kitchenette top.  When setting up and putting down that space is accessible without the tent being up.  I fold out the bunk, pull out the mattress top, put it on the factory mattress and make the bed.  When closing, I have a cheap blue tarp (the free ones they give away at Harbor Freight fit well) that i put under the mattress top, then I fold it in half length way and roll it up and tie it.  I can't get it rolled that tightly, but it fits well enough in that space and it is not too cumbersome.  The tarp keeps it clean.

The topper is very soft, that is why i kept the factory mattress in for extra support.  We slept 3 nights on the topper and factory mattress, best nights sleep camping.  All three nights were comfortable with no sore hips or shoulders.  Wife enjoyed it as well.  

[sidecarmike]

[quote source="/post/11594/thread" timestamp="1432779716" author="@charliem"][quote source="/post/11592/thread" timestamp="1432777866" author="@sidecarmike"]I'm recovering from a knee replacement, so it's probably another month before we get to camp with it.[/quote][font size="3"]This must be a group of old guys falling apart. I'm starting my third week of recovery from my second TKR. I had the other knee replaced 3 months ago. The prognosis is good, but damn it's painful. See you hobbling around the campground  [/font]


[font size="3"]What's the difference between a therapist and a terrorist? You can negotiate with a terrorist [/font]
[/quote]I was 25 when I had my first knee arthroscopy.  For 40 years they kept saying I'm too young for a replacement.  Now they tell me I should have insisted. Left one in Sept. of 2009 right one April 2015.  Best thing I ever did to my body.

[chuck893]

[quote source="/post/11700/thread" timestamp="1432910188" author="@jagwire64"]We have an 8.1 and purchased this one at Walmart:  http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dream-Serenity-4-Memory-Foam-Topper-Multiple-Sizes/22884911

They usually have it in stock, on the shelf.  The dimensions are a little different than Chuck's I thought they were the same.  Walmart may have different stock based on region.  It fit the 8.1 queen perfectly, however, I also had trouble closing it in place.  Chuck, I don't think you can close the big side first on the 8.1.  I tried it several times and the biminis get fouled up.  I believe you must close the small side first.  

I keep the factory mattress where it is.  I keep the memory foam topper rolled up and tucked in the space between the AC unit and kitchenette top.  When setting up and putting down that space is accessible without the tent being up.  I fold out the bunk, pull out the mattress top, put it on the factory mattress and make the bed.  When closing, I have a cheap blue tarp (the free ones they give away at Harbor Freight fit well) that i put under the mattress top, then I fold it in half length way and roll it up and tie it.  I can't get it rolled that tightly, but it fits well enough in that space and it is not too cumbersome.  The tarp keeps it clean.

The topper is very soft, that is why i kept the factory mattress in for extra support.  We slept 3 nights on the topper and factory mattress, best nights sleep camping.  All three nights were comfortable with no sore hips or shoulders.  Wife enjoyed it as well.  [/quote]Thanks for your post. Right now the plan is to use only the topper in place of the factory mattress, mainly because we tend to camp to tour and are often only one night in a camp. I always want to keep the setup and takedown as simple as possible. I would absolutely do what you're doing if I continue to get sore hips. So far we have only slept two nights on the new mattress, but we're going out tomorrow for a more extended stay so we'll give it, and us, a good workout. 

Thanks also for saving me the trouble of trying to reverse the takedown (big end first). I didn't figure it would work.

The sizes may indeed be slightly different. Ours is the Spa Sensations and you got the Dream Serenity. Ours fits the bed frame perfectly lengthwise, but is maybe just under an inch wider than the "tray." It's easily stuffed under when we're setting up, but taking down is another story. As I said earlier, we are sliding it out of the frame onto the top of the closed tent, closing the lid, and trying to somehow get the mattress to fit inside the lip of the frame, but the resistance is pretty high. Once we manage to stuff it under the lip and get the tonneau snapped, when we're under way the vibration quickly allows the weight of the bed frame to somewhat compress the thicker mattress, and the tent and bars, and the problem solves itself. We will work with it as is for awhile, but thanks very much for detailing your method. If we need it we'll use it!