it's not even cold here in Ca but...

[catmanriff]

..getting the top snapped down was pretty tough last night on our QS10.0. 45 degrees. It just seemed like nothing fit right. The door zippers seemed especially tough.  I appreciate you winter time campers in your QS...

having it open on the driveway made me want to take it out to the desert or somewhere and camp. 

on another topic, is anyone using aftermarket jacks to get their QS a bit less ...rocky/tippy? 

[admin]

I feel your pain @catmanriff, I had to set up the 10.0 after a trip last weekend and it gets unbelievably tight with even mild temps sometimes.

As for the jacks, I'm thinking about replacing/upgrading mine. They do the job but they are starting to slip and they just dont give me the fine grain adjustment that I want. Since they are not attached in a way where they should be used as jacks we should probably refer to them as "supports". However even with that in mind, I was thinking I may upgrade to a screw/scissor type system. These ([a href="http://amzn.to/1OJIRpG"]Eaz-Lift 48830 24" Leveling Scissor Jack[/a]) are way over the top as far as capacity, but they would give the adjustability without the worry of slippage.

Its just an idea I'm toying with.

-Sean

[catmanriff]

It seems that the supplied factory jacks should not be lifting the weight. But, the tires and suspension are factors in stability. If you use the stab jacks properly there is still some bouncy play because of the tires. It doesn't seem good for those jacks to do any heavy work, hence my inquiry.  It would seem more stable if you could almost clear the tires from the ground. Also, anyone ever consider a third or 4th bed fold-out support? I'm 250 lbs and my wife ...well, she's tall. I thought about whether that might secure that flex... Four more U shaped brackets and an order of 4 more bars w cotter pin...

[admin]

When I setup our 10.0 I use each support to take a good bit of pressure but I'm not actively trying to raise the box of the camper. This in effect unloads the suspension slightly, thus I don't think the axle is really adding any bounce to the system. Honestly I dont think clearing the tires would help since you would then be removing two more points of contact to the ground.

There have been many users on here that use and recommend the BAL leveler like this one: http://amzn.to/1HPjn7T
It uses the tire and suspension to level the camper, then the stabilizers are really just there to reduce shaking and prevent anything from tipping over. I suppose adding upgraded jacks would do what you want, assuming you have them mounted to the frame of the trailer, rather than just the box portion.

As for adding supports to the bunks. I think it should be fairly easy to add the additional bars. Anything that adds that little extra bit of comfort is well worth the time in my book.

-Sean

[catmanriff]

thanks Sean. The stock jacks seem flexy. Part of that are the tires.  We've added an extra bump up on each jack and that helps.

[calimobber]

During our first few trips out with our 13RDB we found it not as stable as we would like. I noticed other campers using these and since there were relatively inexpensive I decided to buy 4 of them.

http://www.amazon.com/Camco-44561-Olympian-Aluminum-Stack/dp/B000760FX4

They are really easy to use and make a big difference. We place them under the frame as far out on each corner as possible. It says not to use them to lift, only to support. They work.

[husaberger]

I bought the exact same things for my QS10

it made a world of a difference, I put em on the right inside the bumpers where they meet the frame (the T) I place two there

Two in front, I usually put them right where the hitch and the frame starts (the corners of the triangle) jack it up good, and firm, do not lift the QS, just do it firmly - I check nightly to make sure as it does settle - so use some of those leveling blocks (I have http://www.amazon.com/Camco-44505-Leveling-Blocks-pack/dp/B00480BWCI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447910486&sr=8-1&keywords=camper+blocks )

much better.

[quote source="/post/16655/thread" timestamp="1447731174" author="@mojospeople"]During our first few trips out with our 13RDB we found it not as stable as we would like. I noticed other campers using these and since there were relatively inexpensive I decided to buy 4 of them.

http://www.amazon.com/Camco-44561-Olympian-Aluminum-Stack/dp/B000760FX4

They are really easy to use and make a big difference. We place them under the frame as far out on each corner as possible. It says not to use them to lift, only to support. They work.[/quote]

[obadiah]

[quote source="/post/16623/thread" timestamp="1447472036" author="@catmanriff"]It seems that the supplied factory jacks should not be lifting the weight. But, the tires and suspension are factors in stability. If you use the stab jacks properly there is still some bouncy play because of the tires. It doesn't seem good for those jacks to do any heavy work, hence my inquiry.  It would seem more stable if you could almost clear the tires from the ground. Also, anyone ever consider a third or 4th bed fold-out support? I'm 250 lbs and my wife ...well, she's tall. I thought about whether that might secure that flex... Four more U shaped brackets and an order of 4 more bars w cotter pin...[/quote]I asked LL about this.  The guy said that there was no rated limits on the beds. I am, ahem, in the same bed situation as you (different tall wives of course) and was concerned. LL's rep refused to admit that they offer an additional support for the front bunk as was suggested by a member here or on the list, but did say 500 to 600lbs wouldn't be a problem. My opinion is that "static" is not the same as "dynamic" weight--so I'm probably going to need to bolster especially with a growing pork chop that will no doubt soon be jumping in bed with us in the morning.  

Let us know how it works out. I wish I had the time to figure out where the limiting factor on weight was to apply just the bit of aluminum needed without making setup teardown that much more of a bother.  Especially on those chilly days.

O

[catmanriff]

In thinking about it, we only will be sleeping on the sink side bed. So, maybe one extra middle support bar, along with better jacks might help the flex..