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Camplite Travel Trailers / access to water heater?
« on: January 01, 2017, 10:16:04 AM »
I am a little surprised that you got the plug off without a socket wrench, but that is the way to get it back in. The rod is an aluminum or magnesium anode that protects the water heater from corrosion. If it is more than 1/3 corroded, replace it.


QuickSilver Mods / Upgrades / Want to upgrade 15amp breaker
« on: December 31, 2016, 10:46:21 AM »
Be very sure that you have 12 gauge wire in all of the circuits including branches before you replace a 15 amp breaker with a 20 amp. The NEC requires a minimum of 14 gauge for a 15 amp breaker and 12 gauge for a 20 amp breaker. LL may have upped the gauge from NEC requirements, but check.


New Members / Another Newbee
« on: December 29, 2016, 06:09:12 PM »

In case you don't know, Sean the administrator of this board, announced a week or so ago that this board would soon be shutting down. Even now the traffic has slowed and many, hopefully most members have/will move to ACF will support LivinLite campers in the way that this forum has for years.

Hope to see you there.


Camplite Travel Trailers / MSRP question
« on: December 29, 2016, 10:15:20 AM »
It depends of course. Here are some examples:

Last year's model that has been sitting on the dealer's lot for months, end of camping season- 15-20%
New model sold by a dealer with no nearby competition, springtime- 5-10%
Factory order from a competitive dealer- 15%


Camplite General Q & A / New Forum:
« on: December 26, 2016, 11:02:13 AM »
Paul and Charlie:

FWIW I am able to access ACF from either Firefox (my standard), Edge or Internet Explorer from a Win 10 laptop. It works as guest or logged in all of the time.


Camplite General Q & A / Finding Aluminium site from a Google search
« on: December 25, 2016, 12:37:43 PM »
You are certainly right Paul, both links work. I have had problems in the past accessing ACF, but I obviously wasn't using those links. I probably put an s in camper or something like that.


Camplite General Q & A / New Forum:
« on: December 25, 2016, 09:24:18 AM »
I accessed ACF 3-4 times yesterday just fine and again just now. Are you sure that you are spelling it right ;-).


Camplite General Q & A / Finding Aluminium site from a Google search
« on: December 24, 2016, 01:18:34 PM »
Yes, I agree it may be a problem directing neophytes to the aluminium site. Whether the site hasn't had much traffic until recently or maybe the use of the alternative spelling of aluminum, when you google "livin lite aluminium" you don't get at hit on the site until the second or third page of hits. When you google livin lite aluminum (the "correct" North American spelling) then you finally get a hit on the fifth page.

I suspect Paul had to use the non North American spelling to get a url assigned as I note that he uses the "correct" spelling in the introductory text. But even if that is not the problem, it will take a while for the google search engine to register the increased traffic.

I think the same thing happened with the livinlite-owners site when it was first getting started. I learned about it from our dealer, but when I googled it then, it was difficult to find.

So, I would suggest that we contact any dealers that we know well and ask them to spread the word. I will contact D&H RV Center.


Edit: I just sent the following to Dave at D&H RV:


Joan and I bought a Camplite 16TBS from you about four years ago. We like it very much and now that we live in Connecticut we have camped all over the northeast in it. I particularly liked your willingness to trade the dinette for the sofa in another unit, which made the smaller 16TBS work perfectly for us, otherwise we might have bought the bigger/heavier 21 which probably would have been a mistake.

Way back then, you asked my permission to quote an email that I had sent you in the forum. That is what led me there and I have been a very active participant for several years.

Unfortunately Livin Lite is withdrawing financial support to that forum and taking back the url which they own and I believe they plan to make it a factory site. That will probably end the participation of most LL owners once it becomes a factory site. We are an independent sort (which is why we bought a LL) and prefer a non factory site.

As an aside I can understand the reasons for the changes that Thor has made to the LL product, but when you have a cult brand and you mess with that brand, bad things can happen. I think that Scott Tuttle worked very hard to build that brand and a lot of the quirks that he instituted are responsible for that cult.

So was developed by a LL owner and members of the soon to be defunct site are switching over to it in droves. The old site is already mostly about grousing and like I said will probably soon be defunct. So I wanted you to be aware of this new site which is 99% dedicated to LL products and if appropriate, advise your customers of its existence. Note the funny spelling of aluminum. The site is

I hope that your business is doing well. I do think that you run one of the best RV dealerships in the US.

David Marchand

Camplite General Q & A / New Forum:
« on: December 23, 2016, 10:45:30 AM »
I agree, the error that you report shouldn't happen. But why don't you stay logged in all of the time? I do and direct my browser to the "Recent Unread Posts" page, read any new ones of interest and leave. Works fine for me.


Anything not covered elsewhere / Member ideas for saving our forum
« on: December 16, 2016, 03:14:10 PM »
First I would like to thank Dan Miller of LL, he tried hard and was a lot better than ChristianM in understanding and responding to build issues, even though he was a bit unkind to me once ;-).

I think I will continue to laud LL campers for those who want light weight and minimal (had to say that) water rot and damage. They don't have the value that pre Thor campers had, but still ok for those that value that.

I would love to know how much Thor has saved in build cost for all of the changes that they made. If it were several thousand dollars per unit, then maybe it was a good decision. If it was a thousand dollars or so, then they alienated enough cutomers to easily pay for that.

And my closing thanks go to Sean. He tried valiantly for several years, got us through the pictures crises, but couldn't make LL see the light.


Meet-ups / Meetup N. Maine in August 2017- Mattawamkeag Wilderness Park
« on: December 15, 2016, 08:46:55 PM »
With the imminent demise of this forum based on Sean's post today, please direct all comments on our Maine meetup to the following thread on aluminiumcamperforum-

I now have email addresses from almost a dozen who have expressed interest and I will use that method of communication to reach out to those that I don't see over on aluminiumcampers. Please post a short message on that thread to remind me of your interest as well as let me know your username on that site.

See you all in Maine.


General Q & A / VRV 6x15 Coupler/Hitch Too Low
« on: December 13, 2016, 01:51:50 PM »
Another thought, but a long shot. Your trailer has Dexter torsion arm axles. Is it possible that Dexter assembled these wrong and got the torsion arm off a spline or so and that is why your trailer sits so low? I would do some further investigation with your dealer and LL before I installed the lift kit. That trailer came from the factory too low.

I have the same TV as yours and with a short drop hitch of 1-2" about half of what yours shows in the first pic, my 16TBS rides perfectly level.


Camplite Travel Trailers / 21BHS details: 12v sockets & furnace vents
« on: December 13, 2016, 12:02:40 PM »
The heating furnace is entirely separate from the air conditioner. It is usually mounted in a wall near the floor. It is propane fired and the flue gas vents outside. The inside hot air blows out into the unit. They are a bit noisy. Here is one similar to what is used on LLs-

The thermostat is usually mounted at the other end of the unit from where the furnace is and as a result the temperature is held pretty evenly, but probably not as good as your home. It is a crude mechanical thermostat, and some replace it with a battery powered electronic one.


General Q & A / VRV 6x15 Coupler/Hitch Too Low
« on: December 12, 2016, 08:45:25 PM »
Yes, that looks awfully low. Dexter, the manufacturer of the axles, makes a lift kit that adds 3-4" to the trailer height. I would sure look at adding that kit. Others have added them and their was a recent thread on it. Here is a link to that thread-

The other thing, is that you are pushing it. The GVWR of the 6x15 is 5546 lbs and the dry weight is 3118 lbs (without options). Toy haulers need the large difference in the two to handle the weight of your toys. So depending on how you load it, you may be pushing the maximum tow rating of your TV.

One last thing- the dry hitch weight is 546 lbs. That is a lot, but it should drop with the addition of toys in the back. But with an expected loaded trailer weight of 5000 lbs, you will need to watch your load distribution to keep the tongue weight at 10%.


New Members / Say hello to potential new Campsite 21RBS owners. JJ&Rita
« on: December 10, 2016, 08:32:48 AM »
Yes, a Lexus RX350 is rated as having a towing capacity of 3,500 lbs. A 21RBS will weigh a minimum of 4,000 lbs loaded, probably closer to 4,500 lbs.


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