http://www.livinlite.com/alumalite-models.php
LivinLite is discontinuing the Fifth Wheel line. There is not enough interest and they were overpriced. If you are interested in the LivinLite Fifth Wheels and can find one, snatch it up. There are great deals on them right now. Who knows? You may have something of a rarity in a few years for a small price now. They are liquidating all Fifth Wheels. You can pick up a $64,000 Fifth Wheel for $29,999. Sad but not bad! See article on D&H RV.
I showed this thread to my husband and told him now we need a big truck! The fifth wheels were nice, but LL put in WOOD cabinets.
Customers want a 'warmer' interior feel, and so LL has responded with more wood over aluminum frame in their cabinetry. Doesn't bother us, but as to the 5th wheel LL, the roofs are of a TPO-type rubber like traditional trailers, out of necessity, as we understand it. It does cause one to wonder what else is 'traditional'. Even so, a great deal for a price tag in the twenties, unless you have to get a TV too. Oh, oh, just reminded of this weekend when we saw a very young couple in their twenties pulling a good-size 5th wheel, probably 30 ft., with a Ram 1/2 ton! Ah, to be young and optimistic again! :) I digress.
Kudos to LL for trying to 'stretch their tent pegs', an example of capitalism at its best. Keep going, LL!
[font size="3"]If the walls and roof are built similarly to other LL trailers they are made of 1" square tubing and insulated with 1" foam. No where near a four season trailer.
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For those that may still be interested in a LL 5th wheel camper they still have 4-5 on their lot. Hit the link to my photobucket page and you'll see several pictures of their 5th wheels they have at the factory lot. Pictures are mixed in with the others but they are there.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn197/bvabob1/LivinLite%20Factory/image_zpslzfok2de.jpeg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/bvabob1/media/LivinLite%20Factory/image_zpslzfok2de.jpeg.html)
Ammobob, thanks for all of the reporting work you are doing for us. I am looking forward to the rest of your comments.
Saw two new 2015 LivinLite 28RLS 5th wheels sitting on this dealer's lot in Virginia earlier this week for $26,500:
http://www.johnsonrvs.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=1443395&p=1&vc=fifth%20wheel&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory
[quote source="/post/15925/thread" timestamp="1444408954" author="@exploringcarolina"]Saw two new 2015 LivinLite 28RLS 5th wheels sitting on this dealer's lot in Virginia earlier this week for $26,500:
http://www.johnsonrvs.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=1443395&p=1&vc=fifth%20wheel&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory[/quote]As of today one of those is sitting in front of my house...... :)
[quote source="/post/15979/thread" timestamp="1444616724" author="@tlbones"][quote source="/post/15925/thread" timestamp="1444408954" author="@exploringcarolina"]Saw two new 2015 LivinLite 28RLS 5th wheels sitting on this dealer's lot in Virginia earlier this week for $26,500:
http://www.johnsonrvs.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=1443395&p=1&vc=fifth%20wheel&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory[/quote]As of today one of those is sitting in front of my house...... :)[/quote]Congratulations!
[quote source="/post/15981/thread" timestamp="1444617845" author="@david2015"][quote source="/post/15979/thread" timestamp="1444616724" author="@tlbones"]As of today one of those is sitting in front of my house...... :)[/quote]Congratulations!
[/quote]Congrats!!!!!!! That's a Super deal and fine camper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote source="/post/15979/thread" timestamp="1444616724" author="@tlbones"][quote source="/post/15925/thread" timestamp="1444408954" author="@exploringcarolina"]Saw two new 2015 LivinLite 28RLS 5th wheels sitting on this dealer's lot in Virginia earlier this week for $26,500:
http://www.johnsonrvs.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=1443395&p=1&vc=fifth%20wheel&s=Year&d=D&fr=xAllInventory[/quote]As of today one of those is sitting in front of my house...... :)[/quote]WHOO HOOOOOOO!!!!
Thanks everyone! It is a bit of a gamble I suppose forgoing the structural warrantee, but between the dealer price for the 5th wheel and the trade-in value they gave me for my 16DB I could not pass it up! PS: All the appliances still come with the manufacturers warrantees, mostly 2years.
There are 2 for sale here: http://nishnavalleycycle.com/search-results.html?type=camper&make=livin%20lite
This one seems like a steal!
http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/PPL-Motor-Homes-736710/listing/2015-Livin-Lite-Aluma-Lite-28RLS-114076329
[quote source="/post/17399/thread" timestamp="1451657179" author="@tlbones"]This one seems like a steal!
http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/PPL-Motor-Homes-736710/listing/2015-Livin-Lite-Aluma-Lite-28RLS-114076329[/quote]down to 22K
[quote source="/post/17622/thread" timestamp="1452446542" author="@tlbones"][quote source="/post/17399/thread" timestamp="1451657179" author="@tlbones"]This one seems like a steal!
http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/PPL-Motor-Homes-736710/listing/2015-Livin-Lite-Aluma-Lite-28RLS-114076329[/quote]down to 22K[/quote]Now down to 21K....how low will it go.....
I could almost picture this behind the Avalanche :) Though for such a large rig I'm surprised how little sleeping room is available.
[quote source="/post/18322/thread" timestamp="1454507634" author="@admin"]I could almost picture this behind the Avalanche :) Though for such a large rig I'm surprised how little sleeping room is available.[/quote] avalanche is on a silverado chassis? It could probably handle it in terms of engine/weight, but you might have a turning radius problem with that tiny bed.... :)
Funny you say it's a large rig.... I get teased it's such a small 5th wheel. We usually camp with a group where we are STILL the smallest trailer. There are plenty of TTs much longer. The rear couch sleeps an adult under 6'6" just fine. THe dinette is for the under 10 y.o. set. Sleeping capacity is probably another reason it didn't sell well. Fortunately for us having guests while camping is not a concern. My 14 y.o. son likes the couch. We remove the back cushions and put a 1" foam pad down. This basically turns it into a twin mattress. if he brings a buddy we kick them outside in a tent.
As of last Saturday, there were two of these on the lot at PPL in Houston. They're nice. We were closing on the Ax or we might have changed our minds. Didn't know about the discontinuation or the warranty. We definitely wondered about the price. If memory serves, they're around 20k each. All said and done, I'm thrilled we chose the Ax instead!
[quote source="/post/18420/thread" timestamp="1454765498" author="@rab0325"]As of last Saturday, there were two of these on the lot at PPL in Houston. They're nice. We were closing on the Ax or we might have changed our minds. Didn't know about the discontinuation or the warranty. We definitely wondered about the price. If memory serves, they're around 20k each. All said and done, I'm thrilled we chose the Ax instead![/quote]I am sure you will really like the Ax. We sold our 2013 16DB to upgrade to this because we needed more space and the price/timing fell into place. It was a rock solid camper and sold us on the LL brand (pre-Thor anyway).
The discontinuation of the warrantee is on the LL portiion only..components, axles, appliances, AC, etc.,etc. are still under manufacturer warrantees.
Ours appears to be pre-thor as well- aluminum roof, which makes us very happy. I think we got a good deal at the right time also. I'm not sure we'll always need the space, but I know we'll enjoy it.
Questions- have you put anything on the floor such as rubber tiles, considered spraying underneath with rubber insulation, or considered painting the roof with any type of product for heat barrier our insulation- something referred to as cold seal?
Anyone else have input on these questions? We have the 26-2013 Axxess.
[quote timestamp="1454936979" source="/post/18521/thread" author="@rab0325"]Ours appears to be pre-thor as well- aluminum roof, which makes us very happy. I think we got a good deal at the right time also. I'm not sure we'll always need the space, but I know we'll enjoy it.
Questions- have you put anything on the floor such as rubber tiles, considered spraying underneath with rubber insulation, or considered painting the roof with any type of product for heat barrier our insulation- something referred to as cold seal?
Anyone else have input on these questions? We have the 26-2013 Axxess.[/quote]So... On th 2013 16DB I added puzzle piece rubber/foam squares to the floor. I found a brand on amazon with fake wood pattern. It looked great when done. I have pictures on here somewhere. It was well worth the 50 bucks or so I paid for the foam squears. The 16DB Had the aluminum roof and also had no insulation. We have a 14 YO son and it was cramped with 3. Also my wife and I didn't enjoy crawling over eachother to use the BR in the middle of the night.
So....there are some dirty little secrets on the 2015 28RLS since you asked: It was pre-thor also, but LL was experimenting: I have a membrane roof...it appears to be weathering fine. I can understand how a rip could happen w. a tree branch but not very concerned other than cost of replacing the membrane because everything inside is still azdel, etc. and not subject to rot. The membrane seems sturdy and the roof is walkable. As far as underneath on the new trailer: Because of the 5th wheel design the trailer sits on a ultralight steel chassis with some sort of special uberduber anti-rust coating. I have 2x5200lb. Lippert axles. I am 7'8" wide as compared to the typical LL 7' width. I have a heated underbelly/tank area. It is sealed off similar an to the new 2016 Truck campers and is heated by the furnace. I also have single pane tinted frameless windows with curtains instead of the CL type windows. I do miss the 100% shading with the window shades, but am otherwise happy with the windows. Interior is the oldschool LL aluminum/azdel cabinet contruction with a bit better quality door latches than on my 2013. Also: I have vinyl flooring so did not bother to go with floor tiles. I have a few area rugs throughout.
Quite honestly between the alumalite and camplite 5th wheels I am convinced this was the test bed for all the current changes and they began as early as 2014. Thor may just be following through on Scott's long term plans....who knows? I am suprised they have not reached out to me for feedback since as far as I know I am the only active 5th wheel owner on the forum.
Here are some youtube links to show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwzjDSsKbFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g27DACkHQQ
This is our floorplan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBXPJxAu88
Thank you for the info. I think you're going to love your new camper. I completely agree with your wife about the bed! We haven't taken ours out yet, but I'm sure there will be some details to work on. Help me out, New to camper lingo- what is a 16db? 16 foot ?? What is db?
I've been telling family and friends about the two in Houston. I haven't checked the site this week to see if they're still there, but like I said, they were nice- really nice. They were alumilite. I don't think they said camplite anywhere, but they looked like the ones in the videos. If we hadn't bought the ax, I'm pretty sure we would have come home with one of these. Since ours will go to the deer lease a few times a year, I think I'm going to be grateful for easy clean up, but warming up the floor with at least rugs is on the top of my list!
Congratulations on the 15th wheel. Looking forward to hearing more about it.
So the Camplite 16DB is now discontinued. It was a 16 footer with a queen bed and sofa with a "dry bath" meaning it had separate shower and toilet, not combined in one (aka the "wet bath")
So the Alumalite 5th wheel models were exactly the same as the camplite 5th wheels except alumalite was supposed to be a more luxury line of campers with an "upgraded" wood cabinet interior look. The current Camplite models are now coming with almost the exact same "wood" cabinet look similar to the discontinued alumalite models.....hmmmm.
Here's the link to RVtrader showing what's out there:
http://www.rvtrader.com/search-results?keywords=Livin%20Lite%20Aluma%20Lite%2028RLS&sort=geo_distance%3Aasc&
They must have sold the 28RLS since now only the 32RLS is available in Houston. the 32 is a better floorplan IMO. They are asking $26K for it.... I suspect there's still $3-4K+ wiggle even with that price.
Here is a fifth wheel; wonder how many are still on lots? http://www.bullyanrvs.com/product/new-2015-livin-lite-aluma-lite-28rls-407201-5
I have been looking at this one for a few months and really thinking about buying it. But then I would have to get a truck for it, so I don't like that part. My mother has a BIG cougar fifth wheel that is nice enough to live in, and I really want to sell my house and move into a camper fulltime anyway. I keep looking at this one thinking it's the ticker.
http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/Prosser-RV-2735196/listing/2015-Livinlite-Aluma-Lite-33-RLTS-116052118
[quote timestamp="1460163600" author="@uscg" source="/post/20348/thread"]I have been looking at this one for a few months and really thinking about buying it. But then I would have to get a truck for it, so I don't like that part. My mother has a BIG cougar fifth wheel that is nice enough to live in, and I really want to sell my house and move into a camper fulltime anyway. I keep looking at this one thinking it's the ticker.
http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/Prosser-RV-2735196/listing/2015-Livinlite-Aluma-Lite-33-RLTS-116052118
[/quote]I don't know your financial situation, but I think it would be REALLY hard to beat that bang for the buck in the RV world! It's list price is below what I paid for mine. I really like the floorplan better than my 28 but running to WI for a swap is out of the question for me. :) Based on the experience with my F250 gasser I think you'd be fine with a regular full size PU with a V8 in most terrain short of the rockies. My truck is probably overkill for my trailer. The trailer was designed/intended to be pulled with a regular full size pickup not a superduty anyway.
On a side note: In most places it's pretty easy to find a superduty gasser like mine for the same or cheaper than a regular full size (F150 type) PU. If you get on autotrader and search down in TX near houston or dallas you can find dozens and dozens of low mileage diesels for much cheaper than in the rest of the country. I know my next truck will be a used diesel out of TX.
I think you got a once in a lifetime deal. I should see if you can negotiate the purchase of our next tow vehicle for us!
Quote from: Paul P" source="/post/22414/thread" timestamp="1466534090[div][/div][div][/div][div][/div][div][/div][div][/div]Just bought a 2015 28RLS LL,from Bullion,Not a better camper out there for 20K.
Congrats! That IS a great price. You paid less than me and I thought I did good when I bought mine in Sept last year. I am loving mine so far and have made quite a few minor modifications/additions. These are rare birds so please keep in touch as you get a feel for trailer. I can let you know what I've done to improve mine. As far as I know I am the only other 5th wheel owner who frequents this forum. I just got back on Sunday from about 1000 Mile round trip. Trailer pulled like a dream the whole time. I'd be curious to hear what you are towing yours with and any issues you have.
Todd
I found it harder than my previous bumper pull trailers at first because I had gotten used to maneuvering with the pivot point at the bumper rather than at the rear truck axle. I have gotten much better since we started actively camping again this spring. Just take it super slow don't be in a rush.
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[quote timestamp="1467836527" source="/post/22810/thread" author="Paul P"][div][/div]Will pick up my 28rls Saturday with my 2001 hd2500 chevy truck,bought truck for the truck camper I never got! LOL Between a truck camper,pull behind and 5th wheel the 5th wheel is by far the best choice.And I will always have a truck so that's not an issue[/quote]Ahh.. good matchup. Your 2500 is more than capable for this small 5th wheel. I agree 5th wheel is the best choice for towing (that's why there are so many out there). When I upgraded my trailer I drove with my old 16DB 8 hours to VA on day and turned around and drove halfw ay back the next afternoon with the 28RLS. The bigger trailer seemed easier to tow and definitely more stable in cross winds and no porpoising. Keep your eyes on the bridge hights though! It might be lighter, but it's just as tall as all the other 5th wheels out there!
Best of luck getting yours on Saturday.
Quote from: Paul P" timestamp="1468535964" source="/post/23022/thread[div][/div]What is the height of the 28rls?
That's a hard one for me to answer. It might sound funny, but I am really reluctant to say just because I don't want to be responsible for someone ripping the roof off of their trailer. Depending on your hitch setup/truck, AC, where they put your antenna probably isn't too different from mine...but still the safe bet is to have the dealer break out a tape measure while you watch or measure it yourself while it's hooked up to your truck on a flat surface and round up.
Hi Paul! No unfortunately unless you are talking about below the floor underneath the bedroom sink...the pump is hidden down behind/inboard from the HW heater. The only way to reach it is from inside the front exterior storage area on the driver side. I added an access panel to reach mine in the future:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000DZGM2C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.
You can undscrew the panel inside the storage area closest to the HW heater with a square bit or add the access panel above. Either way you have to get in there to bypass the HW heater anyway, so at least it's one-stop shopping so to speak.
I added this winterizing kit to make it easier since the pump is a PIA to reach. https://www.amazon.com/Camco-36543-Pump-Converter-Winterizing/dp/B0006JJ588/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1478129539&sr=1-1&keywords=rv+winterizing+kit
Let me know if you have any questions. I can take photos if you need.