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Thank you very much. Very nice trailer !!
Half of these pictures don't show up for me.. am I the only one? Also, is there a way to see the full picture, or do all instagram photos get cropped to a square?
They all show up for me, In square format.
Nice rig, BTW!
I see them all but I do see them cropped as the right side has space for comments. The left side on my screen is quite viewable though.
Instagram always crops the pictures to a square format.
I can upload full photos, I plan to take a few more this weekend with the awning and slide out.
Any requests?
Any suggestions on uploading the photos?
John
I was mostly curious what they ended up using for the tank monitor. That's a new feature that I have yet to see on any other camplite. Can you post a picture of it?
[quote source="/post/1838/thread" timestamp="1404400229" author="@icq102"]I can upload full photos, I plan to take a few more this weekend with the awning and slide out.
Any requests?
Any suggestions on uploading the photos?
John
[/quote]I'd like to see a view into where the bunks are (bunks up) from the inside to see the door. Is there any space to walk around the end of the bed? Did you also tell me that there is a battery monitor or something like that? (Pics of the extras you were surprised to find is what I am looking for.) Ahh, I remember one more thing. You said you were surprised that the slide out went out further than the slide on other Livinlite campers. Can you show that?
[quote source="/post/1838/thread" timestamp="1404400229" author="@icq102"]I can upload full photos, I plan to take a few more this weekend with the awning and slide out.
Any requests?
Any suggestions on uploading the photos?
John
[/quote][font size="3"][font face="arial"]I also am interested in what tank monitor they installed. You can upload pictures as attachments directly inserted into the post, but[/font] there is a limit of three attachments per post.
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If you got the 'new' XL package, it is said to include 'Upgraded Letherette Seating & Cushions'. Is there a letherette surface on the cushions? ( I wish manufacturers would just say vinyl) Any chance you could provide measurements of the bathroom sink counter? I want to see if could get one into a 16DBS by sacrificing the front storage area and making the bathroom area larger. Nice looking camper...... but , boy, is it long!
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[quote source="/post/1848/thread" timestamp="1404420485" author="@farmboy"]If you got the 'new' XL package, it is said to include 'Upgraded Letherette Seating & Cushions'. Is there a letherette surface on the cushions? ( I wish manufacturers would just say vinyl) Any chance you could provide measurements of the bathroom sink counter? I want to see if could get one into a 16DBS by sacrificing the front storage area and making the bathroom area larger. Nice looking camper...... but , boy, is it long!
[/quote]It is long! It's not vinyl, it's most definitely woven.
Let me know if these pics help.
John
[quote source="/post/1840/thread" timestamp="1404404638" author="@funpilot"][quote source="/post/1838/thread" timestamp="1404400229" author="@icq102"]I can upload full photos, I plan to take a few more this weekend with the awning and slide out.
Any requests?
Any suggestions on uploading the photos?
John
[/quote]I'd like to see a view into where the bunks are (bunks up) from the inside to see the door. Is there any space to walk around the end of the bed? Did you also tell me that there is a battery monitor or something like that? (Pics of the extras you were surprised to find is what I am looking for.) Ahh, I remember one more thing. You said you were surprised that the slide out went out further than the slide on other Livinlite campers. Can you show that?
[/quote]I will take that photo for you from
the inside. There is not enough room to walk around the bed. There is about 2 inches between the bed and the entertainment center. The slide is double the size of the slide on the 21 as far as I recall only downside is when it is in it completely blocks the way to the back. Although you can get in from the back bike door.
I was told to look at the 5th wheel trailers pics in the gallery section on the website to see what the leatherette looks like. I did not like it so asked for the old cloth that icq102 has.
http://www.livinlite.com/fifthwheel-models.php
I was told to look at the 5th wheel trailers pics in the gallery section on the website to see what the leatherette looks like. I did not like it so asked for the old cloth that icq102 has.
http://www.livinlite.com/fifthwheel-models.php
[p]Found some stuff on the monitor. First, I think this is the technical stuff on it (attached). Second, it sells for around $35.00. Third, I found this in a forum:[/p][p]
[/p][p]KIB just emailed me a nifty trouble shooting guide for the systems monitor, thought I would post incase anyone else has same concerns as me.
For systems monitor manufactured Jan '92 and later, the LED light will come on when the following voltages are seen in the coach batteries.
C - CHARGE 12.7 volts
G - GOOD 11.9 volts
F - FAIR 11.2 volts
L - LOW 6.0 volts [/p]
[quote source="/post/1855/thread" timestamp="1404439600" author="@funpilot"][p]Found some stuff on the monitor. First, I think this is the technical stuff on it (attached). Second, it sells for around $35.00. Third, I found this in a forum:[/p][p]
[/p][p]KIB just emailed me a nifty trouble shooting guide for the systems monitor, thought I would post incase anyone else has same concerns as me.
For systems monitor manufactured Jan '92 and later, the LED light will come on when the following voltages are seen in the coach batteries.
C - CHARGE 12.7 volts
G - GOOD 11.9 volts
F - FAIR 11.2 volts
L - LOW 6.0 volts [/p][/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]My reaction to the above; just MHO:
[/font][ol type="decimal"][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The inclusion of this monitor is disappointing, but not unexpected.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]KIB has taken a monitor with two useless functions and turned it into one with three useless functions.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The battery function is worse than useless, it's very misleading. A battery at 12.7 is not being charged; a battery at 11.9 is past it's 50% discharge and risks damage; a battery at 11.2 is dead; a battery at 6.0 got left home.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The good news is the trailer wiring is in place for an easy upgrade.
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[quote source="/post/1840/thread" timestamp="1404404638" author="@funpilot"][quote source="/post/1838/thread" timestamp="1404400229" author="@icq102"]I can upload full photos, I plan to take a few more this weekend with the awning and slide out.
Any requests?
Any suggestions on uploading the photos?
John
[/quote]I'd like to see a view into where the bunks are (bunks up) from the inside to see the door. Is there any space to walk around the end of the bed? Did you also tell me that there is a battery monitor or something like that? (Pics of the extras you were surprised to find is what I am looking for.) Ahh, I remember one more thing. You said you were surprised that the slide out went out further than the slide on other Livinlite campers. Can you show that?
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[quote source="/post/1856/thread" timestamp="1404475943" author="@charliem"][quote source="/post/1855/thread" timestamp="1404439600" author="@funpilot"][p]Found some stuff on the monitor. First, I think this is the technical stuff on it (attached). Second, it sells for around $35.00. Third, I found this in a forum:[/p][p]
[/p][p]KIB just emailed me a nifty trouble shooting guide for the systems monitor, thought I would post incase anyone else has same concerns as me.
For systems monitor manufactured Jan '92 and later, the LED light will come on when the following voltages are seen in the coach batteries.
C - CHARGE 12.7 volts
G - GOOD 11.9 volts
F - FAIR 11.2 volts
L - LOW 6.0 volts [/p][/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]My reaction to the above; just MHO:
[/font][ol type="decimal"][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The inclusion of this monitor is disappointing, but not unexpected.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]KIB has taken a monitor with two useless functions and turned it into one with three useless functions.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The battery function is worse than useless, it's very misleading. A battery at 12.7 is not being charged; a battery at 11.9 is past it's 50% discharge and risks damage; a battery at 11.2 is dead; a battery at 6.0 got left home.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The good news is the trailer wiring is in place for an easy upgrade.
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[/font][/quote]What would you upgrade it to?
[font size="3"][font face="arial"]ICQ102,
Thanks for the info and pics of the 28BHS. You're the first one here and we're all interested. Enjoy!
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[font size="3"][font face="arial"]ICQ102,
TT and I both installed the SeeLevel 709 monitors made by [a href="http://www.rvgauge.com/rv.htm"]Garnet[/a]. They use a totally different technology that does not use the internal tank probes which give so much trouble. They're easy to install and provide very reliable operation. The cost is less than $200 plus installation. Both TT and I installed them after delivery and the hardest part was running the wires. That part is in place for you.
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[quote source="/post/1854/thread" timestamp="1404438955" author="@funpilot"]I was told to look at the 5th wheel trailers pics in the gallery section on the website to see what the leatherette looks like. I did not like it so asked for the old cloth that icq102 has.
http://www.livinlite.com/fifthwheel-models.php
[/quote]Sofa bed. 54 inches wide x 62 inches long
[quote source="/post/1859/thread" timestamp="1404476585" author="@charliem"][font size="3"][font face="arial"]ICQ102,
Thanks for the info and pics of the 28BHS. You're the first one here and we're all interested. Enjoy!
[/font][/font][/quote]You're welcome! I know what it was like when I was looking. Hardley any photos...no videos and dealers are almost clueless...
Video of inside
http://youtu.be/zTKzzHm6IPM
Some measurements....
Camplite 28 bhs
Above sink: 91/2 x 12 x12
Below sink: 17 x 8
Below stove: 17 x 10 x 19 (4 shelves)
Next to fridge 12 x 13 x 24 (4 shelves)
Under bath sink 17 x 17 x 15
Next to bath sink top 10 x 15 x 20
2nd shelf 15 x 15 x 20
Next to bath sink bottom 9 x 15 x 20 & 12 x 12 x 17
Above sink 12 x 9 x 12 ( 2 compartments)
Below tv 10 x 10 x 7 (6 shelves)
Next to radio 12 x 6 1/2 x 7
Wardrobe 9 wide
Under bunks: 15 tall
Sofa sleeper: 54x 62
Under bed: 45x29x14
The pictures of the bathroom sink with the tape measure are very helpful; now I need to track down a 16 DBS at a dealer so that I can determine if that sink and counter will fit; if it does, I will add that to my list of desired 'special order' options when I call LL. When checking the picture gallery of a LL fifth wheel at the LL site, to see what the "upgraded leatherette' looks like, I also saw that they have a base cabinet with what I assume are plastic tubs on rigid slides; that might be something I could add myself. Thanks for posting the pictures.
Awning photos
[quote source="/post/1861/thread" timestamp="1404477150" author="@icq102"]
Sofa bed. 54 inches wide x 62 inches long
[/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]Seems strange LL turned the sofa bed so it totally blocks the walkway and ended up with a 62" bed. [/font][font size="3"]A better way would be to turn the sofa 90 degrees so it could be at least 72" long for an adult and leave 10" to access the bath and fridge from the main bed. They could figure how to deal with the L shaped dinette.
John: How wide, left to right when looking out the window, is the slide between inside wall surfaces above the arm rests/back supports? For reference the 21RBS measures 76". I think yours must be 100+ inches. The depth of the21RBS slide is the same as yours, 26+ inches.
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[quote source="/post/1868/thread" timestamp="1404505039" author="@charliem"][quote source="/post/1861/thread" timestamp="1404477150" author="@icq102"]Sofa bed. 54 inches wide x 62 inches long
[/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]Seems strange LL turned the sofa bed so it totally blocks the walkway and ended up with a 62" bed. [/font][font size="3"]A better way would be to turn the sofa 90 degrees so it could be at least 72" long for an adult and leave 10" to access the bath and fridge from the main bed. They could figure how to deal with the L shaped dinette.
John: How wide, left to right when looking out the window, is the slide between inside wall surfaces above the arm rests/back supports? For reference the 21RBS measures 75". I think yours must be 100+ inches. The depth of the21RBS slide is the same as yours, 26+ inches.
[/font][/quote]104 inside slide 116 to the edge of the molding
The sofa sleeper can only accommodate one adult but if that adult sleeps diagonally, they should have about 82 inches of stretch room.
What are the dimensions of the bunk beds?
We also have a sofa bed in our 16TBS. It has been replaced as the original was defective. But, there is no support for the middle of the mattress. I told the dealer that was replacing it to forget it, that we will put a piece of plywood in to use it. This is not what LivinLite is all about, but we were tired of dealing with the problem after waiting for three months to get it replaced. This is the only complaint we had about the unit. What is the support on your sofa bed? I might have to call LivinLite to see what is missing now. It looks like you have a very nice unit and welcome to the forum!
[quote source="/post/1856/thread" timestamp="1404475943" author="@charliem"][font face="arial" size="3"]My reaction to the above; just MHO:
[/font][ol type="decimal"][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The inclusion of this monitor is disappointing, but not unexpected.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]KIB has taken a monitor with two useless functions and turned it into one with three useless functions.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The battery function is worse than useless, it's very misleading. A battery at 12.7 is not being charged; a battery at 11.9 is past it's 50% discharge and risks damage; a battery at 11.2 is dead; a battery at 6.0 got left home.[/font][/li][li][font face="arial" size="3"]The good news is the trailer wiring is in place for an easy upgrade.
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[/font][/quote]Agreed, very disappointed but exactly what I expecting/dreading. Oh well, I guess it's better than nothing for some people. If it's an option they might as well make it a good option though...
On #4, the wiring may be in place, but the location is very unfortunate. It looks like they crammed it between the water heater switch and "power center" which isn't enough room for the SeeLevel. Not the most straightforward upgrade unfortunately.
[quote source="/post/1876/thread" timestamp="1404618400" author="@tinkeringtechie"]Agreed, very disappointed but exactly what I expecting/dreading. Oh well, I guess it's better than nothing for some people. If it's an option they might as well make it a good option though...
On #4, the wiring may be in place, but the location is very unfortunate. It looks like they crammed it between the water heater switch and "power center" which isn't enough room for the SeeLevel. Not the most straightforward upgrade unfortunately.[/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]
Good catch. I missed the placement issue. I[/font][font face="arial" size="3"][/font][font face="arial" size="3"]t's not clear the tank monitor is really an option. [/font][font face="arial" size="3"]Although it's part of the optional [/font][font face="arial" size="3"]XL Living Package,[/font][font face="arial" size="3"] t[/font][font face="arial" size="3"]hat package has become a de facto standard. Maybe LL will figure this one out and either truly offer the SeeLevel as an option or offer the wiring installed without the KIB display panel. Offering the Fantastic fans and including the shower skylight tell me LL is reading this forum and/or listening to their customers. That's a good thing :)
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I asked for the SeeLevel and they passed on that. John, is this panel by the door or next to the cooktop? Either way, there could be room above or below that panel to install the SeeLevel monitor and just leave the other one to cover the hole. That way you can use the wiring....????
[quote source="/post/1881/thread" timestamp="1404656145" author="@funpilot"]I asked for the SeeLevel and they passed on that. John, is this panel by the door or next to the cooktop? Either way, there could be room above or below that panel to install the SeeLevel monitor and just leave the other one to cover the hole. That way you can use the wiring....???? [/quote]Next to the cooktop.
John, so there should be room above the pic you took to put in the SeeLevel if someone wanted to?
[quote source="/post/1881/thread" timestamp="1404656145" author="@funpilot"]I asked for the SeeLevel and they passed on that. John, is this panel by the door or next to the cooktop? Either way, there could be room above or below that panel to install the SeeLevel monitor and just leave the other one to cover the hole. That way you can use the wiring....???? [/quote]If it's anything like the 21' models (looks like it is) then there's plenty of room on that wall for the SeeLevel. If you plan on using the SeeLevel instead of the probe monitor then I would have them leave the probe monitor off entirely. You'll save yourself a dozen holes in your tanks and you won't need to cover up the hole in the wall (or leave the disconnected monitor in the wall). The wires aren't very difficult to run for the SeeLevel. There's actually only one wire that has to go through the floor and it's shared by all three sensors. There are already a couple grommets on that kitchen partition that you could probably run that wire through. Other than that, it needs ground and 12V which could be shared with the "power station".
[quote source="/post/1881/thread" timestamp="1404656145" author="@funpilot"]I asked for the SeeLevel and they passed on that. John, is this panel by the door or next to the cooktop? Either way, there could be room above or below that panel to install the SeeLevel monitor and just leave the other one to cover the hole. That way you can use the wiring....???? [/quote][font face="arial" size="3"]The problem with leaving the old monitor panel in place is you'll have to explain to the 7 year old: "Grandad, why are there two tank monitor panels in your camper?" :D
Go with TT's plan if you can.
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[quote source="/post/1871/thread" timestamp="1404527353" author="@funpilot"]What are the dimensions of the bunk beds?[/quote]27 in wide 73 in wide
[quote source="/post/1885/thread" timestamp="1404675188" author="@funpilot"]John, so there should be room above the pic you took to put in the SeeLevel if someone wanted to? [/quote]Yes there is 8 in between the top of the current monitor and the bottom of the microwave enclosure.
Thanks again John.
[quote source="/post/1888/thread" timestamp="1404679717" author="@tinkeringtechie"][quote source="/post/1881/thread" timestamp="1404656145" author="@funpilot"]I asked for the SeeLevel and they passed on that. John, is this panel by the door or next to the cooktop? Either way, there could be room above or below that panel to install the SeeLevel monitor and just leave the other one to cover the hole. That way you can use the wiring....???? [/quote]If it's anything like the 21' models (looks like it is) then there's plenty of room on that wall for the SeeLevel. If you plan on using the SeeLevel instead of the probe monitor then I would have them leave the probe monitor off entirely. You'll save yourself a dozen holes in your tanks and you won't need to cover up the hole in the wall (or leave the disconnected monitor in the wall). The wires aren't very difficult to run for the SeeLevel. There's actually only one wire that has to go through the floor and it's shared by all three sensors. There are already a couple grommets on that kitchen partition that you could probably run that wire through. Other than that, it needs ground and 12V which could be shared with the "power station".[/quote]
Where did you connect the ground. It seem to need a ground to the battery and not to the frame or converter. Any thoughts???
[quote source="/post/8522/thread" timestamp="1427428610" author="@littlerichie"][quote source="/post/1888/thread" timestamp="1404679717" author="@tinkeringtechie"]If it's anything like the 21' models (looks like it is) then there's plenty of room on that wall for the SeeLevel. If you plan on using the SeeLevel instead of the probe monitor then I would have them leave the probe monitor off entirely. You'll save yourself a dozen holes in your tanks and you won't need to cover up the hole in the wall (or leave the disconnected monitor in the wall). The wires aren't very difficult to run for the SeeLevel. There's actually only one wire that has to go through the floor and it's shared by all three sensors. There are already a couple grommets on that kitchen partition that you could probably run that wire through. Other than that, it needs ground and 12V which could be shared with the "power station".[/quote]
Where did you connect the ground. It seem to need a ground to the battery and not to the frame or converter. Any thoughts???[/quote]I grounded to the frame. The battery is also grounded to the frame. I think LL grounds most DC devices to the frame (water pump, etc...).
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Where did you connect the ground. It seem to need a ground to the battery and not to the frame or converter. Any thoughts???[/quote][font size="3"]Agree with TinkeringTechie. The SeeLevel wants the ground as close electrically as possible to the battery. Ground the SeeLevel panel to the closest point on the frame. That's the way mine is wired and it works fine.The massive aluminum frame is the best ground conductor you can get short of a dedicated wire directly back to the battery negative terminal. That said, I would run the common ground wire for the sensors separately from the panel. So run two conductor cable from the panel to the sensors in sequence daisy chain fashion.
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