Well, I really value and appreciate our LivinLite Campers Forum. I have learned much information about my camper; which has added to my overall satisfaction and enjoyment of it's use.
So, what can I/we do to help save our forum?
Regards,
Galen
I think it would be helpful to know what the annual hosting cost is, in order to determine if "self-funding" via member donations would be sufficient to keep it afloat in it's current form. A couple of other sites I frequent have been successful at setting up a donation system using PayPal in order to cover the hosting fees. I know I'd be willing to make a donation towards those costs to help keep the site running.
Graham
[font size="3"]From previous experience I have learned to keep originals of any and all pictures I post. [/font][font size="3"]Last time we went through this it was painful to recover all my images, and that was hundreds of images ago! [/font][font size="3"]Since this forum does not provide a method of referencing a previously uploaded file I find I need to repost if a subject comes up again.
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I did not know our member forum was in danger. Where else is this discussed? Sorry for being out of touch - busy preparing for move to Florida
When I originally worked with LL on a proposal for hosting services they chose to go with an 'Enterprise Level' plan. To put this into perspective most hosting at this level can run from between $1200 to $2400 per year. Running a private server is far cheaper if there is no cost for hardware or network connectivity but that is not realistic in most cases. Then there are more middle of the road type solutions like spinning up a hosted system on Amazon. This is where we would then install and maintain our own forum platform software. All options have drastically different pros and cons and varying degrees of time requirements to adequately administer.
@leslie, this is new information I released today as we are nearing a critical point and I didn't want to catch everyone off guard.
Right now I'm seeing ads at the top for Chrysler and Dawn soap, and at the bottom for the World Chess Championship.
Are those presumed ad dollars insufficient to maintain the site? If so, I'd be fine with annual dues.
Currently those ads fall short of fully funding the hosting fees. If they would at least cover the cost then I wouldn't have even mentioned any of this.
We find tremendous value (and entertainment!) in this forum and would be willing to put up some money on an annual basis in order to keep it running. I'm sure that many others would as well, so hopefully we can figure something out. Thanks Sean!
The forum http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/ is available and has no funding problems. I would be willing to welcome the users of this forums if they want to come over :)
First step is to go to the [a href="https://www.livinlite.com/contact/index.html"]LivinLite contact page.[/a] I sent them a message stating how valuable this forum is; both to us as owners and to them as a company. Lets become a squeaky wheel and see if they still care about supporting their customers.
Yes, we are going to do the same.
The more people to voice their support for our community the better.
Another drawback to moving away from a hosted solution would be the lack of mobile support. Tapatalk would not be supported. Ideally we will find a solution that keeps on this hosted platform. I know I can move us to another server but the more I think about the drawbacks the less appealing it sounds.
Goodness. I wouldn't have bought my camper if this forum didn't exist. I had too many questions to even imagine myself talking to a dealer. As a first-time camper customer, this forum got me to purchase and answered all my questions as I bungled along to comfort with my new 6.0.
If they want to sell campers to first-timers like me who have no friends or close family with campers or RVs, then this site is necessary.
Let's make sure LL hears these stories. Athe the very least let's post or stories here so I can point LL to this thread as support, but don't hesitate to send these comments directly to LL as well.
Quote from: @idlerockfarm" source="/post/25895/thread" timestamp="1479517077Goodness. I wouldn't have bought my camper if this forum didn't exist. I had too many questions to even imagine myself talking to a dealer. As a first-time camper customer, this forum got me to purchase and answered all my questions as I bungled along to comfort with my new 6.0.
If they want to sell campers to first-timers like me who have no friends or close family with campers or RVs, then this site is necessary.
Absolutely! Be sure to let them know that!
[font size="3"]SEAN: From your metrics can you give us some info on users/day, users/week, users/month or something we can use in our discourse with LL? We now have 1300+ registered members but many are no longer active. LL only cares about current interest level. How many new members do we get per month? I'm seeing non owners coming to ask questions and help on deciding which model to buy. Seems like LL should value this input. If most users are like me we check current activity many times a day without logging on. This probably shows up as non member hits, guest hits, or something you might be able to track. Some numbers would help us make the argument.
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[quote timestamp="1479512375" source="/post/25891/thread" author="@djsamuel"]First step is to go to the [a href="https://www.livinlite.com/contact/index.html"]LivinLite contact page.[/a] I sent them a message stating how valuable this forum is; both to us as owners and to them as a company. Lets become a squeaky wheel and see if they still care about supporting their customers.[/quote]Thanks for the contact info. I just sent a comment in strong support of the forum.
Another option is to move this forum to a Yahoo or Google site?
There is a fair bit of Thor & LL bashing that goes on here so that may make it difficult for them to continue to pay the tab.
Sent Livin Lite a message on their contact page asking for their continued support of this forum . I am sure that I would have never discovered Camp Lite if it were not for this forum . Also thank you all for the great source of information and technical support offered here.
Len.
As requested by @charliem here are some of the important stats:
Active users are unique users with at least 1 session in the given time span the below chart is an average from Feb 1 2016 to Oct 31 2016:
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We can see about 1/3 of our users come in from some sort of mobile device:
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Below we can see 8k+ monthly sessions. Not shown we can see a break down that of new vs returning users is almost exactly 1/3 new vs 2/3 returning
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Our registered members number 1300+ and our daily breakdown comes out around 8% registered members so we a large number of users that are considered guests on a regular basis. Granted this number might be slightly skewed with users that check in from different locations without actually logging in, but even if we assumed a 25% registered to 75% guest we can see a huge engagement from a wide range of sources.
Just because I find it interesting, we are truly of international interest. Since Feb 1 here are the sessions per country:
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All in all our numbers clearly show the positive impact that we have and no one has denied that.
The problem is getting to a point that we are seen as a priority.
Quote from: @charleschapman" source="/post/25913/thread" timestamp="1479556963Another option is to move this forum to a Yahoo or Google site?
There is a fair bit of Thor & LL bashing that goes on here so that may make it difficult for them to continue to pay the tab.
I would note that negative posts can help folks "vent" and move past problems, especially if a forum like this provides solutions and group support (i.e."therapy, so to speak). Even with the negative posts, I hope LL can see the value added of working through those and coming out better in the end. I know that was the case with me.
[quote timestamp="1479556963" source="/post/25913/thread" author="@charleschapman"]Another option is to move this forum to a Yahoo or Google site?
There is a fair bit of Thor & LL bashing that goes on here so that may make it difficult for them to continue to pay the tab. [/quote]This thing started as a yahoo group, which was dreadful.
I agree that the bashing is over the top sometimes, and it wouldn't surprise me if the well was poisoned due to it.
We might consider moving en masse to a more general rv board and have a subforum there.
[font size="3"]@admin , thanks for the data. I'm still digesting it. I think a real indicator of interest and participation is the guest hit. It includes potential new buyers, presently satisfied owners, folks looking for solutions, and diehards like us just checking periodically. The users online number includes members actually commenting, offering help, or just running off at the mouth :P . The present 24 hour users online is 60 with 758 guests. Is this ~10:1 ratio typical? Can I take ~800 hits per day as the number of visits per day of interested parties? That seems like a number a marketeer would be interested in.
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Can we crowd fun this if LL doesn't step up enough?
It wouldn't be a problem to me to move to a more general site and have an area there. BUT, I might not have found this forum if it weren't linked to Livin Lite. I would have then bought a different camper. Now that I am on multiple forums, I could be part of a LL section somewhere. That would help current owners and internet community members. It wouldn't help out new folks.
The bashing is occasionally intense, but I try to offer a more moderate perspective, as do we all. I agree that venting is necessary and moving past it is helpful, too. The issue for me with LL discussions off of this forum is that MANY, MANY people take really negative tones toward LL. Their bias against LL makes productive conversations difficult and unhelpful in many cases.
LL should already know about the public perception of their brand on other forums. Sometimes it's price or judgements based on dyspepsia, but we aren't a free marketing squad to go convert folks out in the ether. If they think dissolving this forum will accomplish that goal, then they are mistaken. We are here not as employees, but as contented owners. Please, LL, show you care about and support us.
Well, I certainly agree with your last paragraph. But LL under Thor has shown a rather callous disregard for this forum recently. They canned Christian about a year ago and djmiller, a LL employee, only comments on easy things that he can feel good about dealing with. He has chosen to avoid the frame weld problem and other difficult quality issues.
So I have my doubts about LL's comittment to this forum and wonder if they will continue to support it with funding.
I would be just as happy to move to Paul's www.aluminumcamperforum.com website or something similar if LL doesn't support this one.
David
Quote from: @david" source="/post/25984/thread" timestamp="1479843455Well, I certainly agree with your last paragraph. But LL under Thor has shown a rather callous disregard for this forum recently. They canned Christian about a year ago and djmiller, a LL employee, only comments on easy things that he can feel good about dealing with. He has chosen to avoid the frame weld problem and other difficult quality issues.
So I have my doubts about LL's comittment to this forum and wonder if they will continue to support it with funding.
I would be just as happy to move to Paul's www.aluminumcamperforum.com website or something similar if LL doesn't support this one.
David
I get what you are saying, but LL did actually spend a pretty penny supporting the regional camp-in last July.
Back of the napkin, $12-15grand
LL spent $12-15K supporting that first regional rally, wow!! How many were there? I didn't pay much attention to it, but it seemed like there were a dozen or so campers. Maybe LL would kick in that much per person for our Maine meetup in August. We now have six campers confirmed and another few maybes. We could have a blast on just a measly grand!!!! Well, we will have a blast without LL's support.
David
We just purchased our LL in July. I know from others that the Thor travel trailer family of brands are all about the bottom line; - they have stockholders to make happy. I see them as the builder of my trailer and of NO HELP beyond that. I suggest some of you go to the Casita Club site and see what CONTENT owners can build without any help from a FAMILY run non-bottom line business. I AM NOT HERE TO BASH LL, but I see them as useless from day one and I still purchased their trailer because we wanted something bigger and built well. We owned our Casita for 16 years and as owner's did our own rallies without a DIME from Casita! We OWNERS need to OWN this LL forum and support it. I am retired now and want to travel as much as we can, help plan and run rallies with my fellow owners. We CAN DO IT!!!! I feel the key here is excited owners talking about or trailers, doing modifications to improve them (with pictures), and sponsoring our own rallies. When we purchased or Casita the business was still young and has grown now to a solid following of owners. We can learn from each other and improve OUR LL FOURM.
I will now get off my Soap box and encourage us to plan our own gatherings. Anyone in for a Florida or Smokey Mt. Rally? (Get-to-get-her)
[quote timestamp="1479856733" source="/post/25996/thread" author="@david"]LL spent $12-15K supporting that first regional rally, wow!! How many were there? I didn't pay much attention to it, but it seemed like there were a dozen or so campers. Maybe LL would kick in that much per person for our Maine meetup in August. We now have six campers confirmed and another few maybes. We could have a blast on just a measly grand!!!! Well, we will have a blast without LL's support.
David[/quote]There were 41 at the picnic at Ft. Stevens, but I'm not sure how many units that represented (and 4 people were LL or dealer staff). Pinstriper's calcs included the trips of the 2 LL staff, plus other indirect and direct costs, I suspect. LL did not pay any of the camping or travel costs of the attendees, so it was all a marketing/business development trip for them. We would have done it all without LL too, but it was nice to have the show of interest and for them to listen to our comments at both the picnic and around the campfire. Interested LL owners like @ammobob and @pinstriper did all the local work.
[quote timestamp="1479862484" source="/post/25999/thread" author="@docktorjj"]We just purchased our LL in July. I know from others that the Thor travel trailer family of brands are all about the bottom line; - they have stockholders to make happy. I see them as the builder of my trailer and of NO HELP beyond that. I suggest some of you go to the Casita Club site and see what CONTENT owners can build without any help from a FAMILY run non-bottom line business. I AM NOT HERE TO BASH LL, but I see them as useless from day one and I still purchased their trailer because we wanted something bigger and built well. We owned our Casita for 16 years and as owner's did our own rallies without a DIME from Casita! We OWNERS need to OWN this LL forum and support it. I am retired now and want to travel as much as we can, help plan and run rallies with my fellow owners. We CAN DO IT!!!! I feel the key here is excited owners talking about or trailers, doing modifications to improve them (with pictures), and sponsoring our own rallies. When we purchased or Casita the business was still young and has grown now to a solid following of owners. We can learn from each other and improve OUR LL FOURM.
I will now get off my Soap box and encourage us to plan our own gatherings. Anyone in for a Florida or Smokey Mt. Rally? (Get-to-get-her)[/quote]I don't think anyone has posted planning ideas in the Meet-ups threads for those locations yet? Maybe ask your question there and see if anyone would like to have a meet up in FL or SMNP.
Quote from: @sandroad" source="/post/26000/thread" timestamp="1479863504Quote from: @david" source="/post/25996/thread" timestamp="1479856733LL spent $12-15K supporting that first regional rally, wow!! How many were there? I didn't pay much attention to it, but it seemed like there were a dozen or so campers. Maybe LL would kick in that much per person for our Maine meetup in August. We now have six campers confirmed and another few maybes. We could have a blast on just a measly grand!!!! Well, we will have a blast without LL's support.
David
There were 41 at the picnic at Ft. Stevens, but I'm not sure how many units that represented (and 4 people were LL or dealer staff). Pinstriper's calcs included the trips of the 2 LL staff, plus other indirect and direct costs, I suspect. LL did not pay any of the camping or travel costs of the attendees, so it was all a marketing/business development trip for them. We would have done it all without LL too, but it was nice to have the show of interest and for them to listen to our comments at both the picnic and around the campfire. Interested LL owners like @ammobob and @pinstriper did all the local work.
Exactly. They had 2 travel from the factory, plus the local dealer hauled a new 21' out. I'm sure they all got paid for working. Then there were 25 or so $25 gift cards to wallyworld, everyone got a $200 gift certificate for service thru the local dealer - dunno how many have used theirs but I have used mine and happy with the service - I got my bearings repacked and a full undercarriage inspection for critter cracks and sealing.
Plus they had burgers and dogs and drinks for everyone.
Its not like we all got princely gifts, but it would be grossly unfair to not acknowledge the commitment they showed.
[quote source="/post/25999/thread" author="@docktorjj" timestamp="1479862484"]I will now get off my Soap box and encourage us to plan our own gatherings. Anyone in for a Florida or Smokey Mt. Rally? (Get-to-get-her)[/quote]I organized one for the Acadia NP meetup this past summer and have started on the one at the Mattawmkeag campground in Maine next August. It is probably best to first pick a campground that you know, will accomodate a reasonable number of campers, has decent facilities (I continue to learn that full hookups are important to some) and takes reservations. Then start a new thread in the Meetups section and note the campground and propose a date or a time window. That is how I started on the meetup next year and some were ok anytime and a few wanted early August, so that is what we settled on.
Once a date is agreed, you have to keep the potential meetup in front of the membership. i wasn't going to say anything more about the meetup until next year, but the potential demise of this site got the prior interested members to send me their email and another 2 or 3 have also said they were interested such as yourself.
So post something every month or so to keep interest going. Then when it gets to be a few months away, start a private message thread or now that I have every one's email address, I will probably use those to discuss specifics that would only interest participants, like white water rafting, hike up Katahdin, dinner arrangements, etc.
It isn't difficult, fun actually. And you get to meet some like minded people in interesting places. Go for it.
David
If anybody sends a message to LivinLite and gets a reply please let us know. To date, I've heard nothing; via email or this forum.
If this site suddenly vanishes, everybody bookmark the forum below that david suggested and let's meet up there.
[a href="http://aluminiumcamperforum.com"]http://aluminiumcamperforum.com[/a]
Quote from: @djsamuel" source="/post/26009/thread" timestamp="1479900350If anybody sends a message to LivinLite and gets a reply please let us know. To date, I've heard nothing; via email or this forum.
I haven't heard anything back from LL and I'm not really expecting to, but I'll let all of you know if I do.
[quote source="/post/26009/thread" author="@djsamuel" timestamp="1479900350"]If anybody sends a message to LivinLite and gets a reply please let us know. To date, I've heard nothing; via email or this forum. [/quote][font size="3"]All quiet on the mid-western front and I don't expect to hear anything. The only one who might get some response is @admin and that's by no means certain. [/font]
All else fails and this site is no longer available a bunch of us are on line at: aluminiumcamperforum.com
(Edit I see further up this is already posted)
Quick update. Without going into too much detail I have made progress with LL. We are hashing out detail but everything is looking very positive.
Quote from: @admin" source="/post/26022/thread" timestamp="1479919288Quick update. Without going into too much detail I have made progress with LL. We are hashing out detail but everything is looking very positive.
Great news!
[font size="3"]As they say elsewhere, You the Man, but I won't commence enumerating fowl yet ;) .
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Quote from: @admin" source="/post/26022/thread" timestamp="1479919288Quick update. Without going into too much detail I have made progress with LL. We are hashing out detail but everything is looking very positive.
That's great Sean! Thanks for the update. Good luck in finalizing!
[div]Thank you Sean! 8-) From Leslie in FLORIDA! And I have been thinking about inviting FL LLers to get together this winter, plus include anybody who will be camping here this winter. We shall see...[/div]
I have sent our request to LivinLite. This is a valuable site for everyone involved. I would like to take the time right now to thank Sean for everything he has done! THANKS SEAN!!!
Thank you Sean!
I have to say thanks to Sean and everybody involved here. I have corrected and improved my camper greatly from the wealth of information on this site.
Wow ! Did I ever miss something. Very disheartening.
Have just sent a plea to Livin' Lite via their website.
Have also bookmarked the aluminum camper forum, just in case.
Merlin has my contact information.
Really hoping that this forum will continue !
We have winterized and covered our trailer for the winter and I am looking forward to spring and pulling the grey tank to shorten the vent tube and thinking that success with that will energize me enough to try again to install that Patty O' Room... Wanted to look at adding the level sensors for the tanks, too. Thinking we can even do one of those custom mattresses :)
We have enjoyed our trailer for four seasons, now. Hoping to continue to do so by keeping up with this forum and learning more and more.
Thank you everyone for making this a great forum !
Quote from: @david" source="/post/25984/thread" timestamp="1479843455Well, I certainly agree with your last paragraph. But LL under Thor has shown a rather callous disregard for this forum recently. They canned Christian about a year ago and djmiller, a LL employee, only comments on easy things that he can feel good about dealing with. He has chosen to avoid the frame weld problem and other difficult quality issues.
So I have my doubts about LL's comittment to this forum and wonder if they will continue to support it with funding.
I would be just as happy to move to Paul's www.aluminumcamperforum.com website or something similar if LL doesn't support this one.
David
Hey David.... do I have to reach up and smack ya!!!....lol. Been gone for the past 10 days or so. But I subscribe to every areas of the forum. I don't miss much. I don't necessarily comment on items you guys answer yourselves. Better coming from you guys anyhow. Items such as the cracked frames and others If I don't comment it is because I am actively involved in and have personally spoken to many of those individuals. I bring many of your concerns and ideas to the development meetings. I also personally support the continuation of the forum but am not involved in those types of decisions any longer, but sincerely hope the decision is made to continue it in its present state..... after all content is king and it would be a shame to start all over.
I agree with many hot topics brought up here and at other times refrain from commenting as some items get totally blown out of proportion. When I hear about leaks caused by poor caulking on a brand new 13QBB or another model we have not built for several years but has been setting on a dealers lot for 2 years with no maintenance, or how metal shavings are found in a cabinet, storage area or on the floor I refrain from posting and let someone else pose the obvious. Would you complain about sawdust?
Anyway my 2 cents. - Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!
Dan
After reading Sean's update, I want to jump in here to state that Livin Lite's decision not only to not support this forum but to take the URL absolutely sucks. I will NO LONGER support this company on other forums. On the Good Sam Club site I feel like a Camplite salesman. That will be no more. This decision is short sighted, ridiculous, and wreaks of an attempt to strangle/control logical discourse and debate about these products. So short sighted.
I guess it is time to sign up over here: http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/
[quote timestamp="1481835530" author="@billmoore" source="/post/26446/thread"]I guess it is time to sign up over here: http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/[/quote]
On my way over there later today.
It's been fun.
Wow! What a disappointment! Too bad! They are letting go of great member benefit! See you over at http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/
Now the crying, whining, Livinlite bashers are going to come out of the woodwork.
Everyone here at some point thought it was the best camper or they wouldn't be a member.
Just because the company has decided to take back what is theirs and try something different doesn't change my view of my camper.
If if your favorite restaurant moves locations or changes the name, will you not recommend it anymore?
Do you really expect all companies to spend money to make you FEEL better about something you already bought?
As one of the greatest presidents once said in this video
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First, thanks to Sean for all the work on this forum to date. As Admin and along with the moderators, you've made this a fine forum. Second, thanks to all who have contributed so well to this site. I've learned a lot from others on here. Third, I also appreciate LL's support, up to this point, but to end it and pull the URL means losing all the collective wisdom on here over the past couple of years and that's a travesty and a loss that hurts current, prospective, and future owners. See you all on other forums.
Well....I guess now is the time to copy and paste the many many great fixes and mods that are posted before the detail is gone.
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As one of the greatest presidents once said in this video
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You....do know that Kevin Kline was never actually, um...you know...I mean...that's not the real President. Right ?
We didn't seek anything from LL other than a little help sustaining this place and giving us a channel into the factory. A number of people have bought this product after researching through this site. Several members have upgraded their original LL trailer with - wait for it - another newer, bigger LL trailer.
Seems like a reasonable investment in owner outreach.
Quote from: @swilky" source="/post/26450/thread" timestamp="1481845766
As one of the greatest presidents once said in this video
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You....do know that Kevin Kline was never actually, um...you know...I mean...that's not the real President. Right ?
We didn't seek anything from LL other than a little help sustaining this place and giving us a channel into the factory. A number of people have bought this product after researching through this site. Several members have upgraded their original LL trailer with - wait for it - another newer, bigger LL trailer.
Seems like a reasonable investment in owner outreach.
Yup, copy and paste time. Then I'm going to delete my account. I know the posts will remain, but LL doesn't need my account information once they end it.
I used this forum for researching the purchase of our new 16 TBS last year. Our second LL the previous was a 6.0.
@sandroad, I'm responding on my phone so I'll keep it short. LL will have no access to the forum data. Never have and never will at this point.
I must say, having worked briefly with Scott Tuttle and then moving over to Christian after the first sale of LL, this most recent change in management is by far the most difficult to deal with. I get the sense that LL is no more than a name now and the new management only sees it as a way to cash in. The problem is I don't think they actually understand what made this brand successful to begin with. I cant complain about my camper b/c it is pre-Thor and being a Quick Silver it is almost too simple to screw up. However I foresee the Camplite line going down hill quickly.
At this point I'd rather give a backup/export of this forum to another owner over seeing it go corporate. I cant say for certain but I would put money on the fact that any forum run by the new management will become nothing more than a lead generator for them. With the added benefit of mass market email ability.
I can promise this, my opinion of the overall company has dipped to the point that I will praise my specific trailer while warning people to never purchase a new one.
[font size="3"]As a major contributor to this forum I can no longer recommend LL campers. An active and independent user forum is a major selling point. Thor's decision indicates a lack of consideration for their user base and a lack of appreciation of the owners' sales potential.
A similar event took place at Forest River with the RPOD forum, with the predictable result. Compare the forums today: one thriving, two dead. Last six months on the independent forum: 69 pages of new posts with 5300+ registered members. Last six months on the flagship dealer sponsored forum: 5 pages of posts with the same forum software and only 3000 members. The factory sponsored forum has 5 pages of posts total since 2011.
Thor's decision not to support this forum is their decision; the decision not to support LL is my decision. [/font]
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At this point I'd rather give a backup/export of this forum to another owner over seeing it go corporate. I cant say for certain but I would put money on the fact that any forum run by the new management will become nothing more than a lead generator for them. With the added benefit of mass market email ability.
You mean the social media wizards that don't even have owner's manuals on their website anymore ? Those are the geniuses that are going to generate [a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CynvMlFyo"]leads [/a]from this site ?
They'll shutter the brand in another few years with some dumbass rationalization about plywood being an environmentally friendly renewable material or organic or something.
Just registered on http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/
FastEddieB there as well.
[quote source="/post/26456/thread" author="@sandroad" timestamp="1481849194"]Yup, copy and paste time. Then I'm going to delete my account. I know the posts will remain, but LL doesn't need my account information once they end it. [/quote]You could click edit on every one of your posts - all 1049 of them - and blank them out. Then change the email associated with your account. I suggest we all use christian's.
Personally, I'd like someone to script this all, so it could crawl the site and replace all my posts with a [a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8"] link to this[/a].
First I would like to thank Dan Miller of LL, he tried hard and was a lot better than ChristianM in understanding and responding to build issues, even though he was a bit unkind to me once ;-).
I think I will continue to laud LL campers for those who want light weight and minimal (had to say that) water rot and damage. They don't have the value that pre Thor campers had, but still ok for those that value that.
I would love to know how much Thor has saved in build cost for all of the changes that they made. If it were several thousand dollars per unit, then maybe it was a good decision. If it was a thousand dollars or so, then they alienated enough cutomers to easily pay for that.
And my closing thanks go to Sean. He tried valiantly for several years, got us through the pictures crises, but couldn't make LL see the light.
David
I am so sad to read this. I plan to go over to the aluminum campers website as soon as I complete my move to Florida, which should happen on Tuesday. I would really hate to lose contact with any of you, even pinstriper, who has enjoyed pushing my buttons from time to time.
I went to the mini-rally in South Carolina in March 2015, and then my husband and I made it to the PNW Rally this summer. We so enjoyed meeting everybody. I am looking forward to the meetup in Maine this summer.
So, I guess it will be good-bye for now, and hope to catch up with you on the other board. The only bright spot in this is to consider that those if us with pre-Thor campers have collectors items that are practically indestructible, and will hold value as time passes.
So sad, so sad...
[quote timestamp="1481945520" source="/post/26472/thread" author="@leslie"]I am so sad to read this. I plan to go over to the aluminum campers website as soon as I complete my move to Florida, which should happen on Tuesday. I would really hate to lose contact with any of you, even pinstriper, who has enjoyed pushing my buttons from time to time.
I went to the mini-rally in South Carolina in March 2015, and then my husband and I made it to the PNW Rally this summer. We so enjoyed meeting everybody. I am looking forward to the meetup in Maine this summer.
So, I guess it will be good-bye for now, and hope to catch up with you on the other board. The only bright spot in this is to consider that those if us with pre-Thor campers have collectors items that are practically indestructible, and will hold value as time passes.
So sad, so sad...[/quote]I'm gonna miss you too, sweetheart. But there's a time to come and a time to go.
The time to come has gone, and the time to go has come.
When you are out camping under the glorious night sky, raise a glass and think well of me.
And from time to time, [a href="http://aluminiumcamperforum.com/index.php/topic,193.0.html"]click here[/a].
I have an idea that the videos I watch on YouTube have nothing in common with the videos that pinstriper watches, although I had a really good laugh at the last one that pinstriper referred.
I would like to add my thanks to Sean, dj and the many active contributors to the forum including david, charlem, pinstriper, fasteddie, gbpackm, mitch, Merlin, charleschapman, doctorjj and many others. I also have to give a shout out to Brenda and Bryce for the information on the gray tank fix because I know I have the same problem, I just haven't fixed it; but now I can. A lot of useful information on this forum and I am sure going to miss this resource.
Can't say that I am suprised that Thor is eliminating the forum. I feared when they made the acquisition that they were going to eventually dumb down and ultimate eliminate the brand. I hope I am wrong, but there is little evidence for the contrary conclusion.
I will see you all over at Aluminum Camper Forum. It would sure be nice if we could move this database over there as an archive.