I just purchased a 2015 QS10.0 and planned on my 2010 Tacoma 4dr SR5 V6 being the primary tow vehicle.
Now that my wife has seen her birthday present, she wants to get rid of the Prius (thank God!) and buy a sedan or small hatchback to be able to make her yearly cross country trip.
If you own(ed) a QS10 and didn't own a truck or large SUV, please let me know what type of car you pulled with, and what your thoughts were on that vehicle.
Cheers!
Kevin
The QS10 has a GVWR of 1,500 lbs. Most small SUVs and minivans can handle that easily. Not all sedans and small SUVs even publish a tow weight rating. I think something like a Honda Accord or Ford Fusion could handle it ok. A Honda CRV or Ford Focus maybe not. When the trailer weight hits about half of the TV weight, I would be concerned. That criteria also applies to braking. At or even near it I would want electric trailer brakes which isn't normally available on the QS.
And then you need to think about wear and tear on the drive train, irrespective of safe towing.
Ford does indicate towing limits for the Fusion but not the Focus. The Fusion's curb weight is about 3,500 lbs so it meets the above criteria. But Ford specifies a 1,000 lb tow limit with the 1.5 and 2.5 L engines and 2,000 lbs with the 2.0 Ecoboost. I suspect that has something to do with better transmission cooling capacity or beefier transmission for the 2.0 Ecoboost than anything else as the 2.5 liter engine should be capable, but Ford obviously doesn't agree. You could do it with the 2.5 liter engine, but I would watch transmission temps to make sure and I realize that isn't an option when you are buying a new car. It used to be that you could easily add an auxiliary transmission cooler, but with today's tightly designed engine compartments, it is probably not possible.
FWIW towing often doubles the continuous horsepower required from the engine, and that heat has to be dissipated or bad things happen.
So, it is possible to tow with a sedan, but you need to be careful. Post specific vehicles you are considering so we can better evaluate.
And I would never think about towing anything with a Prius. It is optimized for mileage, which means that everything: unit body strength, rear end capacity, suspension, and the engine doesn't have any thing left for towing.
David
I bet a Crown Vic could do it.
But yeah, I think we're in Ford Escape or similar territory. Toyota Highlander certainly. Even the RAV 4, which the Hybrids actually take you from 1500 up to 1750. Not a particularly comfortable tow, however, being right at the limits.
thanks guys.
I bought the 10.0 because it was such a good deal. I didn't consider the additional weight since the Tacoma can handle it. My wife doesn't want anything big, and def not a mini van. she may have to take the truck to california this year
I would get something that is rated for 3500 pounds. I'm thinking about all the other camping stuff that really adds up. I'm always packing for four or five people, you may get by with something smaller. The mini van is not a "cool" vehicle, however it's hard to be it's ride and cargo capacity combination.
I have personally towed my fully loaded 10.0 behind a 4cyl Jeep Wrangler 2 door. I'm not saying it was smart, but it is certainly possible. When we first purchased our 10.0 we had a Mazda 5 which I suspect could have towed it, however there was no manufacturers tow rating and trying to find a bolt on hitch was next to impossible. All in all I think you'll find that using a car or sedan to tow the 10.0 will not be ideal mainly due to braking. Just about anything can move the 10.0, stopping is another story.
Another factor you mentioned is towing over long distances. Trying to tow the 10.0 by a car that may honestly be smaller than the 10.0's footprint over long distances can get squirrely at times. I dont know if I would want to tow the 10.0 over long distances in a smaller car. Just my opinion from limited experience. I'd stick with a smaller SUV if possible.
-Sean
wear on the drive train and brakes are my big concerns.
I have seen a post that says the Madza 3 GT has a 1500lbs towing capacity.
https://rideapart.com/articles/top-five-small-and-inexpensive-cars-that-can-towhaul
don't know how accurate that site is.
I towed a quicksilver 8 with a corolla without any problem. I drove thousand of mile with that setup. The best part was the mileage, I was doing 8L/100 km!!! (30mpg)
The Corolla only had a 1.8 litters engine and it had a 1500# tow capacity.
Oddly enough the 8.0 and 10.0 have the same GVWR where the 8.0 has a higher load capacity. I suspect the 8.0 would be easier to tow with a smaller vehicle since its dry weight is already a couple hundred pounds lighter. Plus the 8.0 with its smaller size would be less impacted by wind.
Either way 30 mpg while towing anything is an amazing number :)
We've towed our 2010 QS 8.1 since she was brand new with a 2007 Ford Escape with the 3-liter six. We towed literally thousands of miles. We towed in mountains, once over 10,000 feet. One single road trip we did 16,000 miles, 16 states, 30 camps. The little Escape did it all without breathing hard (geared down of course, uphill and down). Beyond regrettably, a few weeks ago the car found a patch of ice under snow and raced off to hug the nearest tree (a tree she didn't even know f'cryin' out loud) and got herself totaled by the insurance company (doesn't take much with a 9 year old car).
We will resume towing duties with a 2015 Ford Escape, with the 4-cyl 2.0 Ecoboost because it is indeed, as David points out, the only 4-cylinder that Ford will even put a hitch on, which was why we chose the car. I believe the 2015 Escape is on a Fusion chassis and the 6-cyl is no longer even an option.
At this point of course I cannot tell you anything about how the whole rig works together. The trailer hooked behind the 2007 Escape was an absolute dream combination which we fully expected to continue until I could no longer handle it, but stuff happens, so we will see. The new car is TERRIFIC without the trailer, lots of pep, great acceleration, a four that feels like a six but with great gas mileage (averaging about 28). I've always been a conservative driver, and while the dealer was a little nervous about us towing up to 1,500 pounds with a 2015, he was actually surprised that we got away with it with the 2007, so there's that.
I will try to remember to report back once we start towing. It's snowing today here so it may be a while... :P :D
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And this is Daisy Too, complete with so-far-untested-hitch... Oh, did the color have anything to do with the choice? Ummmm... ;)
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You might consider taking a look at the Subaru Outback. With the 6cyl engine, the tow capacity is 3000 lbs and it tows small trailers well with a solid suspension and AWD. The 6 cyl has effortless acceleration and we are overall averaging 24 mpg with our '13. (Of course we don't tow our 16TBS with it!). The reviews on the latest generation ('15-'16) are excellent and they are really nice, versatile cars when not towing too. I have no experience with the 4 cyl Outback, but I know the towing capacity drops to 2700 lbs. I think the 6 cyl Outback would tow the QS10 just fine.
My youngest works for Subaru in Lafayette Indiana. They are hiring 1200 more people as they can't build them fast enough to meet demand, and bringing in one new product line. The Outback, built here in Indiana, appears to be a very reliable product.
my wife has the same red 2016 Escape. I think it would tow the 10.0 just fine.
The Jeep Wrangler is nice
The Kia Sorrento
Hyundai Santa Fe
Rav 4 V6
Toyota Highlander V6
Honda Pilot is nice
Chevy Colorado
VW Tiguan
VW Toureg
Dodge Journey V6
Dodge Durango $$$
[quote source="/post/19852/thread" author="@kevbec27606" timestamp="1458839629"]wear on the drive train and brakes are my big concerns.
I have seen a post that says the Madza 3 GT has a 1500lbs towing capacity.
https://rideapart.com/articles/top-five-small-and-inexpensive-cars-that-can-towhaul
don't know how accurate that site is.[/quote]That site appears to be using European stats and capacities.
My Vibe (2.4 manual), according to the owners manual, is rated for 1500 lbs. That amount is calculated assuming no payload, no passengers in the car. My car is at its limit when I load up for a family weekend trip.......................i know because I can feel it.
My suggestion for a vehicle would be a mid-sized SUV, rated for 2,000 lbs.................................and get that info from a North American web site.
I tow my QS10 with a Subaru Outback 2.5i (4 cylinder). The outback has plenty of power and brakes surprisingly well with the QS10 in tow.
[quote timestamp="1459088756" author="@rob" source="/post/19941/thread"][quote timestamp="1458839629" author="@kevbec27606" source="/post/19852/thread"]wear on the drive train and brakes are my big concerns.
I have seen a post that says the Madza 3 GT has a 1500lbs towing capacity.
https://rideapart.com/articles/top-five-small-and-inexpensive-cars-that-can-towhaul
don't know how accurate that site is.
My wife wants a small car. I know the Prius couldn't handle towing a canoe. On top of that, I never really liked the darn thing very much.[/quote]That site appears to be using European stats and capacities.
My Vibe (2.4 manual), according to the owners manual, is rated for 1500 lbs. That amount is calculated assuming no payload, no passengers in the car. My car is at its limit when I load up for a family weekend trip.......................i know because I can feel it.
My suggestion for a vehicle would be a mid-sized SUV, rated for 2,000 lbs.................................and get that info from a North American web site. [/quote]
Quote from: @chuck893" source="/post/19860/thread" timestamp="1458868755We've towed our 2010 QS 8.1 since she was brand new with a 2007 Ford Escape with the 3-liter six. We towed literally thousands of miles. We towed in mountains, once over 10,000 feet. One single road trip we did 16,000 miles, 16 states, 30 camps. The little Escape did it all without breathing hard (geared down of course, uphill and down). Beyond regrettably, a few weeks ago the car found a patch of ice under snow and raced off to hug the nearest tree (a tree she didn't even know f'cryin' out loud) and got herself totaled by the insurance company (doesn't take much with a 9 year old car).
We will resume towing duties with a 2015 Ford Escape, with the 4-cyl 2.0 Ecoboost because it is indeed, as David points out, the only 4-cylinder that Ford will even put a hitch on, which was why we chose the car. I believe the 2015 Escape is on a Fusion chassis and the 6-cyl is no longer even an option.
At this point of course I cannot tell you anything about how the whole rig works together. The trailer hooked behind the 2007 Escape was an absolute dream combination which we fully expected to continue until I could no longer handle it, but stuff happens, so we will see. The new car is TERRIFIC without the trailer, lots of pep, great acceleration, a four that feels like a six but with great gas mileage (averaging about 28). I've always been a conservative driver, and while the dealer was a little nervous about us towing up to 1,500 pounds with a 2015, he was actually surprised that we got away with it with the 2007, so there's that.
I will try to remember to report back once we start towing. It's snowing today here so it may be a while... :P :D
[a href="https://flic.kr/p/8GbDqJ"]
[img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4127/5049234238_f2b19bbc81_z.jpg"][/a][a href="https://flic.kr/p/8GbDqJ"]Daisy and Rose at Lost Trail Pass[/a] by [a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/43619751@N06/"]Chuck Haacker[/a], on Flickr
And this is Daisy Too, complete with so-far-untested-hitch... Oh, did the color have anything to do with the choice? Ummmm... ;)
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Chuck must be delighted with his Escape w/2.0 Ecoboost and Rose combo. Like Paul, we can tow our 16DB with a light load pretty well in mild temps. The towing cap is 3500 lbs with, if I recall correctly, ~30 sq/ft of frontal area. Rose must go like never before...like she found a younger man now.
To David's point, in the heat of the summer and any decent grade at highway speeds we need to turn the A/C off or the wind resistance of the 16DB, grade and ambient temp causes the engine go into reduced power protection mode. Then it is a white knuckle ride. It only happened a few times, once in coal country, PA, but the 16DB is the max limit and at the towing capacity with z-e-r-o safety margin.
The Escape does handle the load well with very little squat at 330lbs tongue weight. We are very surprised by it capabilities. Ford smacks Eco-Homers lately in their product line
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I promised that I would report on how our 8.1 towed behind our new (to us) 2015 Ford Escape with the 2-liter 4-cylinder turbocharged engine, as opposed to our unfortunately deceased 2007 Ford Escape with the big 3-liter 6-cylinder engine.
[font size="4"]THE RIG IS A DREAM! Better than before! :) [/font]
We went to visit "Our Kidz" in Michigan, a 1,071 mile round trip. The car's onboard computer said we averaged 22.2 mpg average, which includes all visiting and touring, but each 437 mile leg on the highway averaged 22.3 mpg, so to all intents and purposes the trailer made no difference at all. The car never even seemed to breathe hard!
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Cottonwood Campground just south of Lansing?
Quote from: @sandroad" timestamp="1465846181" source="/post/22129/threadCottonwood Campground just south of Lansing?
Yes indeed! Our son and his family have been in E. Lansing at Michigan State since 2011, so when we visit we take Rosie and camp at Cottonwood. We think it's a great camp, very well maintained and friendly.
Quote from: @chuck893" source="/post/22130/thread" timestamp="1465873604[quote timestamp="1465846181" source="/post/22129/thread" author="@sandroad"]Cottonwood Campground just south of Lansing?
Yes indeed! Our son and his family have been in E. Lansing at Michigan State since 2011, so when we visit we take Rosie and camp at Cottonwood. We think it's a great camp, very well maintained and friendly. [/quote]Great! Next time you come through and have some down time, zip me a PM and we'll run down and see you and Rosie. We're in Haslett, with close ties to MSU. My wife was a division director there prior to retirement and I'm an alum.
I pull my QS10 with a 2015 Mazda CX-5 with a 2.0 liter skyactiv 4cyl and a manual transmission. I have to climb out of the east Phoenix, Arizona area up to 7500 ft to get out of our valley and up in the pines and I get 31 MPG average the whole trip.
I have no issues ever pulling my fully loaded trailer which I believe is at or slightly above 1500 lbs because I think the axle is rated for 1485 lbs if Im not mistaken and I have some concerns with the lack of clearance I have between the tire and fender well, even unloaded. Either there is something wrong with my axle or its holding its limit.
I highly attribute my ease of towing to my manual transmission. There are 3 combinations of the CX-5 that you can get; a 2.0 with a manual, a 2.0 with an automatic, and a 2.5 with an automatic. I have no doubt the 2.5 would have no issues towing with the automatic but I would not recommend it on the 2.0 with automatic. The difference in low end power and possibly power overall between the automatic and manual was night and day. The 2.0 was in my price range and I opted for the manual over the automatic and I have driven automatic's my entire life. I have had so much fun with this car. Its my roadster SUV that tows.
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By the way, I forgot to include that I have also installed assisted airbags on my rear suspension to help keep the balance from the tongue weight.
https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-Suspension/Mazda/CX-5/2015/F4178.html?vehicleid=201514655