Has anyone had the Azdel panels delamination, and how did you fix this issue? Dealer says it is not leaking but the heat caused this just to place a bucket of water in it while storing it...
You must live out west in a dry, hot area. We are in hot, humid Florida, and no such issue has visited us. Even so, something doesn't sound right about the advice you were given.
Wouldn't adding a bucket of water cause issues on the other end of the spectrum? Sure your main components wont rot, but I'm sure an overly humid trailer would be just as bad for anything stored in it. Plus it opens the door to mold and mildew I would think...
[quote source="/post/18287/thread" timestamp="1454424037" author="@admin"]Wouldn't adding a bucket of water cause issues on the other end of the spectrum? Sure your main components wont rot, but I'm sure an overly humid trailer would be just as bad for anything stored in it. [font color="e61957"]Plus it opens the door to mold and mildew I would think...[/font][/quote][font size="3"]You would think correctly. Although the basic CL materials will not mold anything made of leather like gloves, pillows, cushions, and boots will as well as some other organic materials. Florida tends to bring out such facts :-[ [/font]
I also agree. Mold down here in Hoston is also a problem due to the humidity. I run a dehumidifier 24x7 when my RV is not in use. The humidity and lack of air circulation is a bad combination. I would be very careful increasing humidity with a standing bucket of water.
[quote source="/post/18287/thread" timestamp="1454424037" author="@admin"]Wouldn't adding a bucket of water cause issues on the other end of the spectrum? Sure your main components wont rot, but I'm sure an overly humid trailer would be just as bad for anything stored in it. Plus it opens the door to mold and mildew I would think...[/quote]True. I believe that the dealer was suggesting a bucket of water to draw and condensation within the trailer, however I would suggest installing a [a href="http://www.airxcel.com/maxxair/products/covers"]MaxxAir roof vent cover[/a] on at least one roof vent (ideally in the bathroom). Leave the roof vent cracked open while the trailer is stored away and not being used. This will help circulation throughout the trailer and resolve the potential condensation, mildew and mold problems. It works like a charm up here in Canada during our drastic fall/winter/spring temperature changes. Plus, its nice having the vent always open while its raining... especially in the bathroom ;)
[quote source="/post/18278/thread" timestamp="1454388885" author="@14brownie"]Has anyone had the Azdel panels delamination, and how did you fix this issue? Dealer says it is not leaking but the heat caused this just to place a bucket of water in it while storing it...[/quote]I've not yet seen the Azdel panels delaminate, however that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I would recommend replacing the complete panel with new. Once it's delaminated, that's it... it won't return to original form.
[quote source="/post/18281/thread" author="@gwbushhog" timestamp="1454396098"]You must live out west in a dry, hot area. We are in hot, humid Florida, and no such issue has visited us. Even so, something doesn't sound right about the advice you were given.[/quote]YUP, Phoenix. I have emailed Azdel asking what they suggest being that their claim is that the panels will not delaminate, no answer...
Also has anyone removed these panels? Does anyone have pics of these panels removed? I have read posts where you are to use a #2 square driver to remove the screws on the trim then they come off. Maybe I will try these this weekend.
[quote source="/post/18317/thread" timestamp="1454471569" author="@blairh"][quote source="/post/18278/thread" timestamp="1454388885" author="@14brownie"]Has anyone had the Azdel panels delamination, and how did you fix this issue? Dealer says it is not leaking but the heat caused this just to place a bucket of water in it while storing it...[/quote]I've not yet seen the Azdel panels delaminate, however that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I would recommend replacing the complete panel with new. Once it's delaminated, that's it... it won't return to original form.
[/quote]where would I get the new ones from? LivinLite?
[quote source="/post/18315/thread" timestamp="1454471395" author="@blairh"] a bucket of water to draw and condensation within the trailer
[/quote]Wait...did you just say the bucket of water is supposed to pull moisture out of the air ? 'cause it never works that way. Maybe I read it wrong from the typo ?
Also, where I live (PNW) our winter humidity is very high, so leaving a vent open is just a constant supply of moist air.
If humidity is the problem, a dehumidifier is the answer. The chemical jobs in my experience don't work well in larger spaces.
However, we don't know if the delam was caused by humidity.
To OP, the best way to replace the Azdel is to have your dealer do it. Under warranty if it is, or if you have to pay then at least you have the right to expect them to get it right and stand by their work (ymmv).
[quote source="/post/18321/thread" timestamp="1454482780" author="@14brownie"][quote source="/post/18317/thread" timestamp="1454471569" author="@blairh"]I've not yet seen the Azdel panels delaminate, however that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I would recommend replacing the complete panel with new. Once it's delaminated, that's it... it won't return to original form.
[/quote]where would I get the new ones from? LivinLite?
[/quote]If you need new ones, you can contact our warranty manager and he will get you fixed up :-)
Will private message you with his contact info!
[quote timestamp="1454514240" source="/post/18325/thread" author="@pinstriper"]
Quote from: @blairh" source="/post/18315/thread" timestamp="1454471395a bucket of water to draw and condensation within the trailer
Wait...did you just say the bucket of water is supposed to pull moisture out of the air ? 'cause it never works that way. Maybe I read it wrong from the typo ?
Also, where I live (PNW) our winter humidity is very high, so leaving a vent open is just a constant supply of moist air.
If humidity is the problem, a dehumidifier is the answer. The chemical jobs in my experience don't work well in larger spaces.
However, we don't know if the delam was caused by humidity.
To OP, the best way to replace the Azdel is to have your dealer do it. Under warranty if it is, or if you have to pay then at least you have the right to expect them to get it right and stand by their work (ymmv).
[/quote]Sorry about the typo. What I was getting at is that some dealerships claim a bucket of water will reduce moisture within the trailer, not for a second do I believe it... but I've heard the theory before. People claim that a bucket of water gives air a source which can bring the relative humidity closer to 100% within the trailer. The only way it would reduce the humidity would be if the water was (and stayed) below the dew point in the trailer. You would be better off putting a bucket of ice in the room. Its a quick dodge of conversation for a dealership to come up with as it "sounds good". In most cases having a vent open will give the moist air a way of escaping, rather than a completely closed, air-tight trailer. If the humidity is extreme, then a fan running in the vent to create air flow should be considered. I totally agree with you, the dehumidifier is a great choice. They're some that work well and are inexpensive too :)
Were not 100% sure why the Azdel panel delaminated, however based on the "bucket of water" comment I'd say the dealership assumed it was due to excessive moisture in the trailer. For all we know, it could have been a simply due to the laminating process at the factory where the panel was constructed. Lamination challenges have occurred in the past.
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[/p][p]Would it be possible to post some photos of your delamination problem??[/p]
Relative humidity of 100% is also known in lay terms as "rain".
Based on the "bucket of water" comment, I'd say the dealer didn't get through high school.
I'd treat anything they say as a contrary indicator.
[font size="3"]I think you have to determine what is actually happening and distinguish between delamination and detachment. Delamination would be where the layers of Azdel are separating. Detachment is where the entire Azdel sheet is detaching from the wall or surface it is attached to. The Azdel sheets are adhered to the wall with adhesive at the LL factory. Heat is the enemy of any adhesive. Glues etc, soften and loosen at elevated temperatures. Command strips and other sticky things fall of the wall in a hot trailer. Temperatures will get very high in a closed trailer in Phoenix, especially in the sun. So your "delamination" may in fact be detachment due to adhesive failure in a hot closed trailer. This could be due to improper adhesive selection or improper application. Ventilation and shade will help. A cover, unless well ventilated and spaced away from the trailer, probably exacerbates the problem.
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[quote source="/post/18358/thread" timestamp="1454560957" author="@james"][p]14brownie,[/p][p]
[/p][p]Would it be possible to post some photos of your delamination problem??[/p][/quote]Photos would be awesome! ;)
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[/p][p]here you go this is two panels by the window.[/p]
Looks like delamination to me.
Will PM Don's email at LivinLite so you can contact him directly.
Well bad news, if you buy a used coach nothing is under warranty. Not so life time...