Anyone recommend an update to the tiny sink in the camplites

[tinkeringtechie]

The sink kit from both Franke and Elkay was too small. I was hoping to maximize the opening with the biggest sink I could squeeze in . I didn't want to go in with a 12" x 12" basin. I just ordered a Moen G204573. It uses a 14" x 16" cutout. It is 7" deep. I am aware of the supports. It could be a "tight" install. Hope it will work. I'll keep you informed. Might have to eat crow. It won't be the first time. 

I'll bet you 10 magic internet points that it won't fit. Unless the 21RBS basin is larger... but it definitely wouldn't fit a 21BHS and I think they're the same. 

[kycamper]

Tinkeringtechie,

After decades of cabinet building, you would think that I MIGHT know SOMETHING about what I was doing??!!! [font size="5"]PAY UP, DUDE!!![/font]

Now THAT'S a SINK!!!![attachment id="525" thumbnail="1"][attachment id="526" thumbnail="1"][attachment id="527" thumbnail="1"]

[tinkeringtechie]

Man that's tight... is it sitting on the backsplash caulk? Well you earned it: $$$$$$$$$$ Use them wisely.

[charliem]

[font size="3"]gleamb,

That's tight, but you did it. Good job!. Hard to tell from the pix but could you have moved any to the left? It looks like you might have been able to pick up maybe an inch to the left?
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[kycamper]

I don't believe that I could have moved it to the left. I could have moved it forward but chose not to. It made it easier to cut the hole. and yes, it meets up to the caulk at the backsplash.....so what does that effect??? It is a nice, big, made in USA 20 ga sink. We will totally enjoy it. Next, I will modify a cutting board to fit into the sink for "prep area".

[admin]

Must be nice for you guys with your fancy countertops that can support a real sink
The quicksilver has a plastic sink molded right into the countertop. Its so shallow that its literally only good for some minor hand or face washing and brushing teeth.

[tinkeringtechie]

[quote source="/post/5587/thread" timestamp="1418918916" author="@admin"]Must be nice for you guys with your fancy countertops that can support a real sink
The quicksilver has a plastic sink molded right into the countertop. Its so shallow that its literally only good for some minor hand or face washing and brushing teeth.
[/quote]That's just an excuse   Get your sawzall out and cut that little molded sink right out of there

[kycamper]

[attachment id="528" thumbnail="1"][attachment id="529" thumbnail="1"]It's DONE!!  Wish I can say it's an easy upgrade, but mounting the sink inside that tight cabinet was challenging, to say the least. Think we're gonna like it.

[tinkeringtechie]

[quote source="/post/5591/thread" author="@gleamb" timestamp="1418943554"]It's DONE!!  Wish I can say it's an easy upgrade, but mounting the sink inside that tight cabinet was challenging, to say the least. Think we're gonna like it.[/quote]I see what you did now.... that front sink edge isn't parallel with the counter edge is it?  Well I already gave you my internet points, so no point in arguing. Nice job, you'll love the extra depth. No more splashing all over the counter.

[kycamper]

The sink is perfectly in line with the front edge of the cabinet. I reused the original front and left side cutout. All I did was cut the back and the right side. I would NEVER install a sink that wasn't square to the cabinet. Come on now.[span]    [/span]

[admin]

[quote source="/post/5587/thread" timestamp="1418918916" author="@admin"]Must be nice for you guys with your fancy countertops that can support a real sink
The quicksilver has a plastic sink molded right into the countertop. Its so shallow that its literally only good for some minor hand or face washing and brushing teeth.

That's just an excuse   Get your sawzall out and cut that little molded sink right out of there[/quote]

Eventually that will happen I've actually been toying with the idea of replacing the entire top...we shall see what happens

[tinkeringtechie]

[quote source="/post/5594/thread" author="@gleamb" timestamp="1418955458"]The sink is perfectly in line with the front edge of the cabinet. I reused the original front and left side cutout. All I did was cut the back and the right side. I would NEVER install a sink that wasn't square to the cabinet. Come on now.[span]    [/span][/quote]Yeah, now that I look at the pictures again only the second picture looks weird... must just be the camera angle. I made the same cuts on mine.

[charliem]

[font size="3"]OK, Guys. The battle's over. [/font][font size="3"]Thanks to both of you and your work t[/font][font size="3"]here are at least two viable options.

Now, let me suggest a third option:  [a href="http://www.elkay.com/psr17203"]http://www.elkay.com/psr17203[/a]  and  [/font][font size="3"][a href="http://www.amazon.com/Elkay-PSR17203-Gourmet-Pacemaker-Stainless/dp/B00084SHEY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419007626&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=elka+PSR+17203"]http://www.amazon.com/Elkay-PSR17203-Gourmet-Pacemaker-Stainless/dp/B00084SHEY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419007626&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=elka+PSR+17203[/a]
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It seems the length (L to R) will fit and the width (F to B) should be a lot easier. It takes up less counter space and I like the recessed lip on the Elkay. Can I assume both of you used the U-Channel mount versions of the sinks vs the quick clips?

You thoughts, Gentlemen?
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[kycamper]

The Moen sink I used has the same basin width as the Elkay mentioned. The front to back basin is 2" bigger than the Elkay. The length, Front to Back, of the Moen is 1" longer on the trim piece than the Elkay. I had no problems with front to back numbers. It was the width that was the "constraint" for me. I was able to make the cutout 16" wide. The sink cleared the aluminum support at the front right with no problem. I don't know what U Channel mount is.I bet it is easier than what came with my sink. My sink came with clips that, I believe, were meant for a 3/4" thick counter, not the 1 1/2" we have. It was the hardest part of my installation. I had to order my sink from our local plumbing supply shop. It retailed for over $228. I was able to get it for $135 plus tax. Bigger sink....less money. Any of the sinks mentioned would work fine. I had to modify the PEX lines by adding two valves. Also had to purchase a drain fixture and install a flexible PTrap. If anyone is considering doing this modification and needs more help, let me know and I'll try to assist.

[kycamper]

Tinkeringtechie....you have real good eyes. Although I would never mount a sink that wasn't parallel to the front of the cabinet, the boys at LL apparently don't care. Since I used the existing front and left side cut as the starting point, I never questioned whether it was indeed square. It wasn't. Darn. Guess I'll have to rip it it out and start all over again. Oh well. The original cut follows the aluminum support at the front of the sink. Something is "out", but I don't really care. It looks GREAT and we will love having this big, deep, useful sink. Time and money well spent.  Happy Trails!!