Chevy Colorado Diesel

[drdave]

[quote source="/post/21565/thread" timestamp="1464305562" author="@pjcd"][quote source="/post/21563/thread" timestamp="1464300836" author="@tlbones"]Don't buy GM.   I mean that seriously.   I'm not trying to be a wise guy.  Don't do it.  I learned first hand...twice.   Twice may also prove I'm not that smart but that just helps prove my point.[/quote]Have to disagree with you on that, I've gone through a few trucks in my time and they all have their issues. My Dodge 3/4 ton 5.8 gasser couldn't tow to save its life and after the third transmission, I sold it. I towed a light weight TT with a Dakota and never had an issue. Honda, Nissan and Toyota all have the fair share of problems. I'm currently towing with a 2011 Duramax and haven't had any major problems, (only sensor issues). [/quote]I stand by my statement with absolutely no offence meant to you.   It wasn't meant to be infamatory to current GM owners so I apologize in that regard.  I agree that no manufacturer is perfect.   I've got no skin in the game with any of them.  I'm sure you have a product or a store you absolutely refuse to ever do business with again.   GM is mine and then some.   Being screwed over like I was the second time actually made me very leary and much more diligent in all my major purchases since then...which is why I went with Livin-lite for a camper....twice now!

 I would at least do some homework on the engine/tranny combo and verify after others have taken the bite that it's trustworthy of any investment of hard earned money.   A new engine/transmission/vehicle combo is always a risk regardless of manufacturer.   I agree with DavidB...let others drive it for a year or two first.


Brand/garage space/cost aside I would personnaly be looking at a 1/2 ton prefrerrably a V8.   My Nissan Frontier did well with my 16DB, but a larger/longer wheelbase truck leaves room for growth or towing other larger toys.

[charliem]

[quote source="/post/21566/thread" author="@davidb" timestamp="1464305682"]
Those folks that do actual real world tests towing a 5600lb trailer tested the GMC Canyon and it did excellent. Look up The Fast Lane on Youtube, they take a 5600 lb horse trailer and do a 100 mile loop in Colorado with different vehicles.

I'll keep my eye on them for a year or two to see how they perform.

[/quote][font size="3"]I watched the Youtube video, thanks to davidb for the link. It's good data. Compared to the 2016 Tacoma w/3.5L gas engine:

Time up 7% grade: 8'55" for the Canyon vs 8'05" for the Tacoma
Speed maintained: 51mph last reported full out, but probably dropping for Canyon. Not reported for Tacoma.
MPG 6+ for Canyon, 4+ for Taco.

The new Taco was only 3.5L vs 4.0 in years prior to 2016. The Canyon was turbocharged; the Taco was not, but could have been SC'd.

I rest my case. Torque gets you rolling, HP gets you there. It's all about physics. Diesels do get better MPG, but maybe more $/gal depending on location.

That said, Ford's 3.5 Ecoboost would have beat both as long as it lasted     .
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[whoofit]

[quote timestamp="1464306251" author="@tlbones" source="/post/21568/thread"][quote timestamp="1464305562" source="/post/21565/thread" author="@pjcd"]Have to disagree with you on that, I've gone through a few trucks in my time and they all have their issues. My Dodge 3/4 ton 5.8 gasser couldn't tow to save its life and after the third transmission, I sold it. I towed a light weight TT with a Dakota and never had an issue. Honda, Nissan and Toyota all have the fair share of problems. I'm currently towing with a 2011 Duramax and haven't had any major problems, (only sensor issues). [/quote]I stand by my statement with absolutely no offence meant to you.   It wasn't meant to be infamatory to GM owners so I apologize in that regard.  I agree that no manufacturer is perfect, but I was really burned bad.  I would at least do some homework on the engine and verify after others have taken the bite that it's trustworthy of any investment of hard earned money.   A new engine is always a risk regardless of manufacturer.  


Brand/garage space/cost aside I would personnaly be looking at a 1/2 ton prefrerrably a V8.  My Nissan Frontier did well with my 16DB, but a larger truck leaves room for growth or towing other larger toys.[/quote]My experience mirrors Todd's. Most things I have no brand loyalty to, including LL, but I have had several bad experiences with GM. I never owned a Dodge so I have no first hand experience with them. Have a brother that swears by Dodge, or did, last time he bought new. I always buy new too but that is probably unimportant in this discussion. What does apply is that I keep my trucks till end of life.

After our last trip, this month, towing the 16DB 5700 miles including the Rockies and Black Hills I must say that I wouldn't want any "smaller" of a vehicle than the 1/2 ton Ford I had for that trip. Round here where I live we do just fine with a smaller less powerful one.

I have no dog in the boosted/blown versus V8 debate but I sprung for the V8 for my uses.

The F150 and similar trucks are a bit too large almost. Mostly reaching into the bed with or without the Leer contractor cap on. This Cargo Glide product helps with that. It is nearly a must... and it has aluminum. Oh, shiny. Not me in the hat by the way.

[daplumbr]

[quote timestamp="1464305682" source="/post/21566/thread" author="@davidb"]I have no problem towing on short trips with my 1996 Toyota T-100, out of state trips such as tomorrows trip from Louisiana to Colorado will be with my Tundra with the 4.7 liter.

I'm not too pleased with the 200 mi range with the Tundra and looked at the diesel Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon.

I think it would be perfect for my 6x15 toyhauler, but there are no manufacturer incentives yet.

Those folks that do actual real world tests towing a 5600lb trailer tested the GMC Canyon and it did excellent. Look up The Fast Lane on Youtube, they take a 5600 lb horse trailer and do a 100 mile loop in Colorado with different vehicles.

I'll keep my eye on them for a year or two to see how they perform.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGDIwZkLQuI


[/quote]Thanks for posting that youtube. It was interesting that the "baby" Duramax (as they called it) has an exhaust brake for towing downhill. Pretty cool. 

[thedusty]

I appreciated all the input. Thank you.

[thedusty]

For those that enjoy all this for fun, here's another good video by those guys:

https://youtu.be/AwIBeySukbE

[djsamuel]

If you are considering diesel, you may want to check out the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. My 1500 (with 4.7l gas engine) has no problem at all towing my 21BHS all over the country.  The Ecodiesel (3L) is supposed to be even better, based on what I've heard from those towing with them. When I replace my 09 Ram, I am going to consider the 3L Ecodiesel.

[thedusty]

[quote timestamp="1464891145" source="/post/21873/thread" author="@djsamuel"]If you are considering diesel, you may want to check out the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. My 1500 (with 4.7l gas engine) has no problem at all towing my 21BHS all over the country.  The Ecodiesel (3L) is supposed to be even better, based on what I've heard from those towing with them. When I replace my 09 Ram, I am going to consider the 3L Ecodiesel. [/quote]I went on the forums to read about that new engine a few months ago.  I discovered that quite a few people say they're not lasting...dying before they hit 100k miles.  I know the internet is where people go to complain but it seemed like I kept running across it and it wasn't just an isolated issue.  All that chatter made me steer away from it... 

[sandyu]

[quote timestamp="1464891145" author="@djsamuel" source="/post/21873/thread"]If you are considering diesel, you may want to check out the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. My 1500 (with 4.7l gas engine) has no problem at all towing my 21BHS all over the country.  The Ecodiesel (3L) is supposed to be even better, based on what I've heard from those towing with them. When I replace my 09 Ram, I am going to consider the 3L Ecodiesel.

I went on the forums to read about that new engine a few months ago.  I discovered that quite a few people say they're not lasting...dying before they hit 100k miles.  I know the internet is where people go to complain but it seemed like I kept running across it and it wasn't just an isolated issue.  All that chatter made me steer away from it... [/quote]


Here is good video explaining what you found.
https://youtu.be/9XzdYl5iCYQ

[thedusty]

[quote source="/post/21890/thread" author="@thedusty" timestamp="1464989841"]I went on the forums to read about that new engine a few months ago.  I discovered that quite a few people say they're not lasting...dying before they hit 100k miles.  I know the internet is where people go to complain but it seemed like I kept running across it and it wasn't just an isolated issue.  All that chatter made me steer away from it... 

Here is good video explaining what you found.
https://youtu.be/9XzdYl5iCYQ


[/quote]Wow...  I honestly don't know enough about engines to pretend I fully understand.  Which means I'll likely end up going with a Tundra 5.7L V8...even though is sucks up gas.

[pjcd]

The question begs to be asked,,,,,what is DODGE doing about it?

[drdave]

[quote source="/post/22171/thread" author="@pjcd" timestamp="1466015222"]The question begs to be asked,,,,,what is DODGE doing about it?
[/quote]They should give up and replace it with the cummins from the new titan.    Nissan probably has an exclusive deal though.   

[pjcd]

[quote timestamp="1466035161" source="/post/22185/thread" author="@tlbones"][quote timestamp="1466015222" source="/post/22171/thread" author="@pjcd"]The question begs to be asked,,,,,what is DODGE doing about it?
[/quote]They should give up and replace it with the cummins from the new titan.    Nissan probably has an exclusive deal though.   [/quote]Yes, it is an exclusive deal with Nissan, 5.0l V8 turbo diesel. Dodge is using the 3.0, made by VM Motori, a longtime Italian marine-diesel-engine builder and former affiliate of Fiat. I don't know why they didn't go with Cummins.

[sandyu]

This may still be a good engine. I found the video. It sounds like this guy pulls near the maximum often. I could probably find similar video about ford ecoboost engines. Just one example.

[pjcd]

Without a doubt, you can find something wrong with just about anything, on the internet......8^)