So, I'm pouring food into a feral cat's food dish at our woods' edge. Suddenly, I see this guy next to the dish looking up at me as though chow is for him. It's just inches from my hand when I spot it. I 'GO GIRLY' and ruin the bugger's day. But what is it?
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It's Johnny no arms. Kind of hard to tell but in picture 3 are those fangs? I'm leaning juvenile copperhead. A dead one.
Might be baby copperhead...one like that bit my Motherinlaw a few years back at my property. The babies empty all of their venom out on the first bite.
Looks like a cottonmouth. Where I live in Central Florida (Clermont) we've had several, along with quite a few pygmy rattlesnakes, diamondbacks, and coral snakes.
Look at these pictures:
http://www.floridabackyardsnakes.com/florida--eastern-cottonmout.html
Cottonmouths are extremely aggressive; even rearing up and hissing at times.
[quote source="/post/9609/thread" timestamp="1429532776" author="@djsamuel"]Looks like a cottonmouth. Where I live in Central Florida (Clermont) we've had several, along with quite a few pygmy rattlesnakes, diamondbacks, and coral snakes.
Look at these pictures:
http://www.floridabackyardsnakes.com/florida--eastern-cottonmout.html
Cottonmouths are extremely aggressive; even rearing up and hissing at times.[/quote]You very well could be right Doug. I think GW is in middle FL. So that could be a Cottonmouth . The ones I see in GA swamps have very little markings
usually a dark almost black body but fat around the length until the tail area and they get "stubby".
The head looks about right for a cottonmouth, but like @shovelhead, the ones I have seen are basically black or dark brown and solid in color. The first this I noticed in the picture was how fat it looked as well, which if memory serves is another pointer towards cottonmouth.
[quote source="/post/9609/thread" author="@djsamuel" timestamp="1429532776"]Looks like a cottonmouth. Where I live in Central Florida (Clermont) we've had several, along with quite a few pygmy rattlesnakes, diamondbacks, and coral snakes.
Look at these pictures:
http://www.floridabackyardsnakes.com/florida--eastern-cottonmout.html
Cottonmouths are extremely aggressive; even rearing up and hissing at times.[/quote][p]Note to self: Stay the hell out of Central Florida.[/p][p]
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I hate snakes as most humans do... I have a funny snake story and it was a Cottonmouth. My son made a hat band out of it... I cant repeat the
whole story on the forum... Rated "R"
Doesn't look to be harmful to me now that it is dead and I'm 1000 miles away.
When I was a kid there was a saying to help identify poisonous snakes. "It he has a round eye he's a good guy, if he has a cat's eye you might die" It's a lot easier than memorizing colors and patterns. However, I would never recommend getting up close and personal, eye to eye, as it could really ruin your entire day. :P
[quote timestamp="1429539936" author="@pinstriper" source="/post/9615/thread"][quote source="/post/9609/thread" timestamp="1429532776" author="@djsamuel"][/quote][p]Note to self: Stay the hell out of Central Florida.[/p][p]
[/p][p]Done.
[/p][/quote][p]Aw, Bunky, don't be like that. :)[/p][p]
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Decided to check out other threads in this forum...
NOPE!
Places to visit:
[strike]Oregon[/strike]
[strike]Central Florida[/strike]
:D
Here's one that we met in Caprock Canyon last Thursday, a Diamond Back... not sure if Eastern or Western. About three feet or a little more.
Click to enlarge and you can see tail in the grasses.
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On this photo, you can see the black forked tongue if you look close.
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At Inks Lake in the fall, we were trail running with our terrier. She passed the Diamondback before we saw it coiled half way on the trail. It was bigger than the one we saw last week. How the dog who passed the snake twice, second time trying to get back to us, didn't get bitten... a Godsend. It didn't rattle and move off the trail until I tried to get a better look at it. Same case with the one in Caprock. Needless to say, our two dogs that camp with us got the rattlesnake vaccine after that first encounter.
I like snakes (spiders are what get me wiggy). I taught with them when younger... rat snakes, hognose, kings... but the poisonous ones are super scary.
Quote from: @shovelhead" timestamp="1429496996" source="/post/9598/threadIt's Johnny no arms. Kind of hard to tell but in picture 3 are those fangs? I'm leaning juvenile copperhead. A dead one.
Yes, 'Johnny no arms' has fangs. (Where did you find the name 'Johnny no arms'?) BTW, Shovelhead, your juvenile copperhead suggestion got me thinking....hmm, ours doesn't fit Florida pygmy snake description, nor juvenile copperhead in pattern or tail rattle. I then remembered that cottonmouths are rumored to have color and pattern when juvenile. But since we have only encountered mature cottonmouths who were always solidly dark in color, much longer and thicker, I didn't recognize yesterday's visitor to be one. Your mention of 'juvenile' prompted a search which did confirm that our dearly departed friend indeed was a very juvenile cottonmouth. Also learned that the cottonmouth has the least potent venom of all vipers and their purported 'aggressive' temperment is without basis. The rattlesnake takes the prize for having the most potent venom along with a nasty disposition and aggressive nature. There's a fellow in Central Florida who maintains that mocassins make good pets, as far as snakes go! Says they are smart and develop a personality when in captivity. Not so with rattlers. I'll take his word on this.
We should plan a LL Rattler Rally and meet at one of several rattlesnake round-ups in Texas next Spring! Hubby says it's exciting and rattlesnake is tasty!
http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/snakes/cottonmouth.shtml
(http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/snakes/images/cottonmouth_juvy_SAJ.jpg)
[quote timestamp="1429565547" author="@oar" source="/post/9655/thread"]Decided to check out other threads in this forum...
NOPE!
Places to visit:
[strike]Oregon[/strike]
[strike]Central Florida[/strike]
:D[/quote]And where do you live, Mr. Oar? Hmmmm? :)
Quote from: @spunk4" timestamp="1429567053" source="/post/9657/threadHere's one that we met in Caprock Canyon last Thursday, a Diamond Back... not sure if Eastern or Western. About three feet or a little more.
Click to enlarge and you can see tail in the grasses.
On this photo, you can see the black forked tongue if you look close.
At Inks Lake in the fall, we were trail running with our terrier. She passed the Diamondback before we saw it coiled half way on the trail. It was bigger than the one we saw last week. How the dog who passed the snake twice, second time trying to get back to us, didn't get bitten... a Godsend. It didn't rattle and move off the trail until I tried to get a better look at it. Same case with the one in Caprock. Needless to say, our two dogs that camp with us got the rattlesnake vaccine after that first encounter.
I like snakes (spiders are what get me wiggy). I taught with them when younger... rat snakes, hognose, kings... but the poisonous ones are super scary.
INKS LAKE?! What a blast from the past! We use to camp at Inks Lake as a kid and LOVED IT! (Not sure where Caprock is.)
You mention rattlesnake vaccine for dogs?. This is first I've heard of such. Can you tells us more? So glad your terrier cleared the diamondback!
[quote timestamp="1429573479" author="@gwbushhog" source="/post/9663/thread"][quote source="/post/9657/thread" timestamp="1429567053" author="@spunk4"]... Needless to say, our two dogs that camp with us got the rattlesnake vaccine after that first encounter.
[/quote]You mention rattlesnake vaccine for dogs?. This is first I've heard of such. Can you tells us more? So glad your terrier cleared the diamondback! [/quote]We heard about the rattlesnake vaccine from family who lived in Kerrville, TX. All their dogs got it. We had to call around to find a vet that had it. I think some will order it on request. It's a two shot initial process, one and then another about 4 weeks later. Requires a booster each year, and in cases where the dog has year-round exposure, the booster is given every six months. Emergency treatment is still needed with the vaccine, but chances of death are lessened. We certainly feel better about our long hikes and trail runs now that they are more protected.
P.S. I've had dogs get bitten by Copperheads (and have known a few people too). They've always swelled up, but been fine in the long run.
[quote source="/post/9661/thread" timestamp="1429573195" author="@gwbushhog"][quote source="/post/9655/thread" timestamp="1429565547" author="@oar"]Decided to check out other threads in this forum...
NOPE!
Places to visit:
[strike]Oregon[/strike]
[strike]Central Florida[/strike]
:D[/quote]And where do you live, Mr. Oar? Hmmmm? :)
Add the entire continent of [strike]Australia [/strike]
Ireland is OK.
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[quote source="/post/9704/thread" author="@shovelhead" timestamp="1429636478"][quote source="/post/9661/thread" timestamp="1429573195" author="@gwbushhog"]And where do you live, Mr. Oar? Hmmmm? :)
Add the entire continent of [strike]Australia [/strike]
Ireland is OK.
[/quote][/quote]I live in Manitoba, Canada. The only dangerous thing we have is the mosquito (provincial bird). ;)
Australia is on the list of places not to visit. Every animal there is poisonous or venomous and will kill you on land and sea. dropbears are a huge problem too ...so I heard... ;)
Speaking of FL snakes... also the next Darwin award recipient.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/florida-man-recovering-after-bite-face-deadly-snak/nkzjX/
[quote source="/post/9776/thread" timestamp="1429725797" author="@shovelhead"]Speaking of FL snakes... also the next Darwin award recipient.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/florida-man-recovering-after-bite-face-deadly-snak/nkzjX/ [/quote]They left out the part where right before he kissed the snake he was quoted as saying "here, hold my beer"
Darwing award runner up indeed.
[quote timestamp="1429725797" author="@shovelhead" source="/post/9776/thread"]Speaking of FL snakes... also the next Darwin award recipient.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/florida-man-recovering-after-bite-face-deadly-snak/nkzjX/ [/quote]Dabnabbit, Shovelhead! You beat me posting this video!
[font color="#e62119" face="comic sans ms" size="6"]Nonetheless, here's a question for ya'll: "WHAT'S THE LAST THING A REDNECK SAYS BEFORE HE COMMITS SUICIDE?....................
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[font size="7" face="comic sans ms"]HEY, YA'LL! WATCH THIS!"[/font]
[quote source="/post/9719/thread" timestamp="1429648707" author="@oar"][quote source="/post/9704/thread" timestamp="1429636478" author="@shovelhead"][/quote]I live in Manitoba, Canada. The only dangerous thing we have is the mosquito (provincial bird). ;)
Australia is on the list of places not to visit. Every animal there is poisonous or venomous and will kill you on land and sea. dropbears are a huge problem too ...so I heard... ;)
[/quote]The only thing more dangerous in Canada is the healthcare system....oh, wait....not true anymore.
All kidding aside, (may it never be so!), and if Florida is so 'dangerous', why are our best RV spots occupied, (some year round >:D) by so many of our Canadian neighbors?
Hmmm? Not that we don't appreciate you, 'cuz we do! But just every once in awhile, it would be nice to get an oceanfront spot at a State Park rate.
P.S. Okay, I'll ask you, my Northern Friend......what the heck is a 'dropbear'? (I have a sense I'll regret asking.) :)
QW I didnt know either. GOOGLE "Dropbear" just another reason I never will visit Australia.
[quote source="/post/9776/thread" timestamp="1429725797" author="@shovelhead"]Speaking of FL snakes... also the next Darwin award recipient.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/local/florida-man-recovering-after-bite-face-deadly-snak/nkzjX/ [/quote]Guess Hatfield found that snake was the real McCoy.
A young Fla. Cottonmouth. Notice the band along the side of the head. Got a lot of these little boogers around here.
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Quote from: @shovelhead" timestamp="1429738968" source="/post/9795/threadQW I didnt know either. GOOGLE "Dropbear" just another reason I never will visit Australia.
Fictional animal, to scare tourists away. Hmmm. Interesting idea, hmm...
Quote from: @shovelhead" timestamp="1429738968" source="/post/9795/threadQW I didnt know either. GOOGLE "Dropbear" just another reason I never will visit Australia.
OMG, I learned something new today.
Amazing the things you find out there.
When I first heard of dropbears I thought it was hilarious.
Or maybe that's what Aussies want...for tourists to think they arent real and keep their tourism economy going... (adjusts tinfoil hat)
The only snakes we have around here are garter snakes.
Lots at the Narcisse snake dens. http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/140626-narcisse-snake-dens-vin
Now to imagine if those were cottonmouths I think it would be perfectly acceptable to nuke the dens from orbit.