Saw an option on a Work and Play unit where two cables and attachment points were installed to allow the cargo door to open down level with the floor, to create a "back patio' as an alternative to the entrance/awning area. Does anyone know if this can this be done on a LL? I have an Axxess 85X26.
And so it begins....... :)
[quote source="/post/5804/thread" timestamp="1420303290" author="@sandroad"]And so it begins....... :)[/quote]Maybe not....'wife' here doing what some wives do too much of, that is, ask too many questions. After reading another forum, I am wondering about that cargo door and LivinLite's claims of 'no wood, rust or rot' as fact.
Since we haven't taken possession of the unit just yet, I am still asking questions. My poor Husband. :( He should thank me (shouldn't he?) :-X
My pre-purchase research showed me that all toy-haulers have wood in the doors. LL does not manufacture the doors. Doors are purchased from another manufacturer.
Tip-out bunk doors and the entry doors also contain some wood. It seems at the present time, this is all that is available.
Knowing this, I paid a lot of money for my Camplite 21-BHS because I will not have to worry about the floor or frame rotting or rusting out. Even if the camper should have a water leak somewhere, the structure will not be harmed. Bedding, clothes, etc. Would need drying out, but the structure is safe.
I put together a maintenance checklist. On it is a reminder to have the roof and all seams checked before my camper is a year old, so any reinforcing or patching will be done under warranty.
To follow up on our OP about using the cargo door as a "back patio", we contacted LL and, although they now have a back patio option on the "Ignite" model, the door and doorframe are a different configuration than on the Axxess, so the parts are not interchangeable. OK, so we went with a pretty simple solution - bought 2 adjustable jackstands with rubber cushion covers, to support the cargo door from beneath. So now we can put the cargo door down on the jack stands, level with the floor, and have a nice sitting area available when the weather and campsite are amenable. Well, yeah, there are no safety railings, but we'll take our chances on the risk of a 15 inch fall off the edges.
I store the jackstands, along with a 20-ton bottle jack, in the front compartment, so if we ever have a flat tire, we can lift and support our Axxess with them. Speaking of tires, found out the lug nuts require periodic torque checks - 120ft-lbs for 15 inch wheels - so a torque wrench is also needed for the traveling tool box.
Karen, Leslie and I were all quite enamored by the new CampLite "Ignite" Toy Hauler.
One had the tailgate down and supported as a railed "patio".
Did not get an exterior photo of it, but here it is looking back from the entry door:
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After visiting our local RV show last weekend, it seems the "patio" feature is really being pushed by the manufacturers. I have to admit that it is pretty cool! I was also surprised by the number of 'sticks and staples' TTs that had a second half-bath with a separate outside door, even on the smaller trailers. Only saw one lonely Camplite there...a 14DBS that was getting plenty of attention but no one from any of the dealers around to answer questions.
-Graham
[quote source="/post/7218/thread" timestamp="1424959006" author="@fasteddieb"]Karen, Leslie and I were all quite enamored by the new CampLite "Ignite" Toy Hauler.
One had the tailgate down and supported as a railed "patio".
Did not get an exterior photo of it, but here it is looking back from the entry door:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8594/16627460486_1a46400be5_c.jpg)
Fireman 27,
Thinking that this 'Toy Hauler' thread is the wrong one for a 28 BHS, a travel trailer. Consider switching your appeal to the 'Wanted' thread towards the bottom of this proboard's home page. Also, try 'RV Trader'; think I saw one there recently. Nice, but not cheap.
[quote source="/post/7647/thread" author="fireman27" timestamp="1426027371"][div][/div]anyone own a 28 bhs ? l want to buy one,please help me out. [/quote]While not a 'cargo door', love the little back door on the 28 BHS.
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[quote timestamp="1420297752" source="/post/5799/thread" author="@gwbushhog"]Saw an option on a Work and Play unit where two cables and attachment points were installed to allow the cargo door to open down level with the floor, to create a "back patio' as an alternative to the entrance/awning area. Does anyone know if this can this be done on a LL? I have an Axxess 85X26.
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We bought a 30 ft quicksilver toy hauler in Nov 2014. Talked quite a bit to LL before we committed. Asked Scott Tuttle about making the ramp into a deck. He didn't like the cable idea, but suggested adjustable supports they could attach to the ramp. We went with that and love it. Two supports that fold against the ramp and fold down as you lower the ramp. Very easy to use and work perfectly. Tried to attach a picture but said the file was too big. If your interested in a picture and tell me how to attach I'd be happy to do it. Scott also suggested an awning that would extend over the ramp, love that too. Db
[quote source="/post/5799/thread" timestamp="1420297752" author="@gwbushhog"]Saw an option on a Work and Play unit where two cables and attachment points were installed to allow the cargo door to open down level with the floor, to create a "back patio' as an alternative to the entrance/awning area. Does anyone know if this can this be done on a LL? I have an Axxess 85X26.
[/quote]sure can... i did it with my vrv 8.5x18
made the cables using supplies from ace hardware and picked up the mounting tracks from amazon. having adjustable attachment points isnt necessary, but was piece of mind for cable stretch/etc.
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[quote timestamp="1428272909" source="/post/8876/thread" author="@db"]We bought a 30 ft quicksilver toy hauler in Nov 2014. Talked quite a bit to LL before we committed. Asked Scott Tuttle about making the ramp into a deck. He didn't like the cable idea, but suggested adjustable supports they could attach to the ramp. We went with that and love it. Two supports that fold against the ramp and fold down as you lower the ramp. Very easy to use and work perfectly. Tried to attach a picture but said the file was too big. If your interested in a picture and tell me how to attach I'd be happy to do it. Scott also suggested an awning that would extend over the ramp, love that too. Db[/quote]We would love a picture, but can't say off the top of my head just now how to attach it. You'll have to reduce the file size, which is pretty easy if one is used to doing it regularly (I'm not), but will try to revisit the task and get back soon. Thank you for sharing this information!
[quote source="/post/8881/thread" timestamp="1428277423" author="@thudd3r"][quote source="/post/5799/thread" timestamp="1420297752" author="@gwbushhog"]Saw an option on a Work and Play unit where two cables and attachment points were installed to allow the cargo door to open down level with the floor, to create a "back patio' as an alternative to the entrance/awning area. Does anyone know if this can this be done on a LL? I have an Axxess 85X26.
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Man oh man!!!! Dude...you are something! Wow, you've done what LL rep at factory told us would cost thousands of dollars! For this reason, we resorted to a very simple solution for supporting the cargo door as a patio deck: two jack stands! Simple, cheap and easy but nowhere close to your brilliant fix. Good job! You've amped this 'toy hauler' thread up, for sure!
P.S. Can't let the opportunity pass without saying it, may that Gadsen flag fly tall and free. Party like it's 1776!
sure can... i did it with my vrv 8.5x18
made the cables using supplies from ace hardware and picked up the mounting tracks from amazon. having adjustable attachment points isnt necessary, but was piece of mind for cable stretch/etc.
(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q439/mushr00min/camper/DSC01378sm_zps2d719c3e.jpg)
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Very nice patio setup! How did you mount the l-track? I have a 4-foot section of l-track sitting in the garage left over from another project... thinking about trying this!
Here's the best photo's I had on hand. On the one on the left you can see one of the adjustable supports. There's also one on the other side of the ramp. These fold against the ramp for traveling and fold down to support the ramp in a horizontal position. You can also see the awning we placed over the rear. LL had to shorten the ramp about 4in. To make the awning fit. On the next pic you can see the ramp in the down position and the awning extended. Like it b/c no cables to get on the way. Db
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[quote source="/post/8925/thread" timestamp="1428353425" author="@gwbushhog"]
Quote from: @db" timestamp="1428272909" source="/post/8876/threadWe bought a 30 ft quicksilver toy hauler in Nov 2014. Talked quite a bit to LL before we committed. Asked Scott Tuttle about making the ramp into a deck. He didn't like the cable idea, but suggested adjustable supports they could attach to the ramp. We went with that and love it. Two supports that fold against the ramp and fold down as you lower the ramp. Very easy to use and work perfectly. Tried to attach a picture but said the file was too big. If your interested in a picture and tell me how to attach I'd be happy to do it. Scott also suggested an awning that would extend over the ramp, love that too. Db
We would love a picture, but can't say off the top of my head just now how to attach it. You'll have to reduce the file size, which is pretty easy if one is used to doing it regularly (I'm not), but will try to revisit the task and get back soon. Thank you for sharing this information![/quote]I posted a couple pic's. Still trying to get a handle on this blog stuff. Wanted to do it as a reply but looks like it went in as a new post. Look down a little and you should see it. Db
another option for the picture would be to upload it to a free photobucket account, then link to it using the insert picture button when creating the post
[quote source="/post/8943/thread" timestamp="1428367079" author="@db"]Here's the best photo's I had on hand. On the one on the left you can see one of the adjustable supports. There's also one on the other side of the ramp. These fold against the ramp for traveling and fold down to support the ramp in a horizontal position. You can also see the awning we placed over the rear. LL had to shorten the ramp about 4in. To make the awning fit. On the next pic you can see the ramp in the down position and the awning extended. Like it b/c no cables to get on the way. Db
Thank you for the pic, Db! Must agree with you about no cables to get in the way. We're surprised that LL never made a mention to us of these mod possibilities. BTW, do you have a picture of your full rig? Your Quicksilver sure looks sharp in that red. How are you liking it and what do you haul, if anything? You say it is 30'? If so, I think you may take the prize for the biggest toy hauler....for that matter, the biggest trailer on this forum. Interested in knowing LL's haulers' similarities, differences, pros/cons, and hearing of your camping experiences with 'Big Red'. Thanks again for sharing! [/quote]
Here's the rig. First pic is leaving the dealership in Nappanee, IN, Nov 2014. Picked it up and drove it back to Fort Worth. First time pulling anything, pulled great. 2nd pic is maiden voyage in Feb 2015. Last pic is right after getting it back to Ft Worth in Nov. It is a 30 footer. Was going to get the 30 ft Axxess but I saw this color when I visited the factory and loved it. Have some interior pic' s also if you'd like. Still trying to master the pic insert thing. Db
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db, I have a red Camplite and I love the color of my trailer. Red looks great on a 30' toy hauler, too!
[quote source="/post/8998/thread" timestamp="1428459298" author="@db"]Here's the rig. First pic is leaving the dealership in Nappanee, IN, Nov 2014. Picked it up and drove it back to Fort Worth. First time pulling anything, pulled great. 2nd pic is maiden voyage in Feb 2015. Last pic is right after getting it back to Ft Worth in Nov. It is a 30 footer. Was going to get the 30 ft Axxess but I saw this color when I visited the factory and loved it. Have some interior pic' s also if you'd like. Still trying to master the pic insert thing. Db
[/quote]Beautiful rig, Db! The red is stunning. Just have to ask: What have you got going on back there?? Is that a washer? Of course, we'd love to see the interior mods! We haven't done much yet, a towel bar here, a mirror there, some area rugs, pillows, coordinated bedding and storage bins, but that's about it for now. Also a power jack and a couple of jack stands that we purchased which are independent of the cargo door, but used to create that wonderful patio deck. Built a dedicated parking pad also.
Here's a first ever post of our rig. 'Shovelhead' of this forum says, 'if there's no pic, it didn't happen'. We've been reluctant to post pics, but here's proof, it did happen. Bought the Axx in Jan. 2015. Just wanted to camp and enjoy natural surroundings....HA! So much for blending into the environment! We've caught turkey admiring themselves in the reflection and did ruin one woodpecker's day recently when he tried claiming it. And we weren't camping....just parked in storage on our own property! BTW, we're located in central Florida, but moved here 25 years ago from Texas. No place like Texas!
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Tried posting a couple more pics, but ran into the same problem with oversizing. Will work on getting more pics posted soon. Thanks again for sharing! Really enjoyed it because there's not many 'haulers' who post on this forum, though we know they're out there. We're a slightly different RVer than the traditional trailer enthusiast, or so it seems. But it's all good! Thanks again!
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gw, I like that mirror finish exterior. I haven't seen one in person yet. Who needs a mirror inside when you have a BIG one on the outside?
[quote source="/post/9007/thread" timestamp="1428470054" author="@leslie"]gw, I like that mirror finish exterior. I haven't seen one in person yet. Who needs a mirror inside when you have a BIG one on the outside?[/quote]Thanks, Leslie. Good point about the mirror except the big one outside is not much help at night when one is needed, you know ..... to make sure everything is wiped and brushed, perfumed and fluffed for that special guy who worked hard to hang that sucker up right there in the bedroom!
After this Friday, you'll be fluffin' and stuffin' too for you know whooo.....GO GIRLY! :-*
[quote source="/post/9004/thread" timestamp="1428468469" author="@gwbushhog"][quote source="/post/8998/thread" timestamp="1428459298" author="@db"]Here's the rig. First pic is leaving the dealership in Nappanee, IN, Nov 2014. Picked it up and drove it back to Fort Worth. First time pulling anything, pulled great. 2nd pic is maiden voyage in Feb 2015. Last pic is right after getting it back to Ft Worth in Nov. It is a 30 footer. Was going to get the 30 ft Axxess but I saw this color when I visited the factory and loved it. Have some interior pic' s also if you'd like. Still trying to master the pic insert thing. Db
[/quote]Beautiful rig, Db! The red is stunning. Just have to ask: What have you got going on back there?? Is that a washer? Of course, we'd love to see the interior mods! We haven't done much yet, a towel bar here, a mirror there, some area rugs, pillows, coordinated bedding and storage bins, but that's about it for now. Also a power jack and a couple of jack stands that we purchased which are independent of the cargo door, but used to create that wonderful patio deck. Built a dedicated parking pad also.
Here's a first ever post of our rig. 'Shovelhead' of this forum says, 'if there's no pic, it didn't happen'. We've been reluctant to post pics, but here's proof, it did happen. Bought the Axx in Jan. 2015. Just wanted to camp and enjoy natural surroundings....HA! So much for blending into the environment! We've caught turkey admiring themselves in the reflection and did ruin one woodpecker's day recently when he tried claiming it. And we weren't camping....just parked in storage on our own property! BTW, we're located in central Florida, but moved here 25 years ago from Texas. No place like Texas!
Tried posting a couple more pics, but ran into the same problem with oversizing. Will work on getting more pics posted soon. Thanks again for sharing! Really enjoyed it because there's not many 'haulers' who post on this forum, though we know they're out there. We're a slightly different RVer than the traditional trailer enthusiast, or so it seems. But it's all good! Thanks again!
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[quote source="/post/8927/thread" timestamp="1428355189" author="@billmoore"]Very nice patio setup! How did you mount the l-track? I have a 4-foot section of l-track sitting in the garage left over from another project... thinking about trying this![/quote]for the top there is just enough room below the gutter to mount them to the header/frame (which is thick aluminum with nothing behind it to interfere). drill 2 holes per track while placing the end of the track as close to the outer edge of the door opening as possible. there is a support on the inside right at the outer edge that you will want to avoid. for the tracks on the doors you can use the flat edge on the frame. again drill 2 holes for each track through the door. if your holes are centered on the flat edge they will be in the aluminum frame around the on the outer edge of the door on the outside. i believe i measured 1 or 1.5' down from the top edge of the door for the placement of the tracks.
i haven't experienced any stretch yet, but have plenty of track to move the cables up if it ever happens
let me know if you need more pics
Actually the color is Bradywine, according to LL. I call it burgundy. Our story is, the wife is highly chemically sensitive and allergic to 'bout everything that exists on the planet. Got to the point where we couldn't do anything more than a day trip, which is a problem when you have a grand kid in OR. So we spent a long time looking for a rv/tt that was built chemically free. Finally came across LL with their all aluminum trailer, contacted Scott Tuttle and he was more than willing to work with us. After about 18 months of discussion about what we wanted and what they could do we met in Wakarusa and signed the deal. The base plan is the VRV Quicksilver FBD 30 ft. But we have quite a few customizations...all electric appliances and heat, aluminum counter tops, twin bed in the front with a second fold up bed in the living area, aluminum panels an the interior to cover the Azdel board. We wanted the garage area to put in a washer/dryer and a sauna. Wife can not use washers at the parks that people had used scented detergents in. The sauna did throw them a little. Wife needs to sauna to detox every couple days so we needed that. Had them put a wall with door btwn the garage area and living area. I can not say enough about how great Scott and his guys were. No one else knew what we were talking about or would even touch it. Looks like I can not attach pic to a quick reply so I guess I have to do another post for the interior pics. Db
For gebushog, couple more interior pic for you. Washer and sauna in the garage area. Db
[quote source="/post/9070/thread" timestamp="1428626527" author="@db"]Actually the color is Bradywine, according to LL. I call it burgundy. Our story is, the wife is highly chemically sensitive and allergic to 'bout everything that exists on the planet. Got to the point where we couldn't do anything more than a day trip, which is a problem when you have a grand kid in OR. So we spent a long time looking for a rv/tt that was built chemically free. Finally came across LL with their all aluminum trailer, contacted Scott Tuttle and he was more than willing to work with us. After about 18 months of discussion about what we wanted and what they could do we met in Wakarusa and signed the deal. The base plan is the VRV Quicksilver FBD 30 ft. But we have quite a few customizations...all electric appliances and heat, aluminum counter tops, twin bed in the front with a second fold up bed in the living area, aluminum panels an the interior to cover the Azdel board. We wanted the garage area to put in a washer/dryer and a sauna. Wife can not use washers at the parks that people had used scented detergents in. The sauna did throw them a little. Wife needs to sauna to detox every couple days so we needed that. Had them put a wall with door btwn the garage area and living area. I can not say enough about how great Scott and his guys were. No one else knew what we were talking about or would even touch it. Looks like I can not attach pic to a quick reply so I guess I have to do another post for the interior pics. Db
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A really neat set of customizations -- very nice.
What is the white thing under the TV?
It's one of the electric base board heaters. Db
Great setups. I like the adjustable legs to hold the door up. We have a rear facing happijac sofa/bed the deck would be a nice addition.
[quote source="/post/9069/thread" author="@thudd3r" timestamp="1428626490"]for the top there is just enough room below the gutter to mount them to the header/frame (which is thick aluminum with nothing behind it to interfere). drill 2 holes per track while placing the end of the track as close to the outer edge of the door opening as possible. there is a support on the inside right at the outer edge that you will want to avoid. for the tracks on the doors you can use the flat edge on the frame. again drill 2 holes for each track through the door. if your holes are centered on the flat edge they will be in the aluminum frame around the on the outer edge of the door on the outside. i believe i measured 1 or 1.5' down from the top edge of the door for the placement of the tracks.
i haven't experienced any stretch yet, but have plenty of track to move the cables up if it ever happens
let me know if you need more pics[/quote]Thanks, that makes sense. I'll have to take a closer look at mine this weekend and decide if I want to tackle it!
db -- a washer & a sauna! That's freak'n awesome! My hat's off to you and your bride for turning what could have been a considered a disability into awesome show of strength. All you need now is one of those inflatable hot tubs (with a UV disinfection system -- no chlorine -- and you will make the awesome campers hall of fame. :) It makes me happy to read your story. Cheers!
Do you have any pictures of the wall in between the sections? or Any details on the specs of it.
We are hopefully in the process of buying one also and seems like something we would really like.
not sure what you are looking for tag...can you be more specific?
[quote source="/post/10209/thread" timestamp="1430484290" author="@tag9147"]Do you have any pictures of the wall in between the sections? or Any details on the specs of it.
We are hopefully in the process of buying one also and seems like something we would really like. [/quote]
Hi Tag9147 -- You are asking about the wall between the garage area & the living area, right? Well the answer is the typical LivinLite manufactured Toy Hauler doesn't separate the areas. When the toys are removed the 'garage' becomes part of a large, spacious, open-plan layout that offers considerably more elbow space than even bigger models from other manufacturers that incorporate a wall in their designs.
You can see all the plans and interior/exterior pics at the LivinLite website: [a href="http://www.livinlite.com/toy-haulers.php"]link[/a]
Was under the impression one of the mods that DB had done was a wall installed in-between his toy-hauler area, where the sauna and washer and dryer is. But maybe the door in the picture he posted was for something else sorry my mistake.
Quote from: @tag9147" timestamp="1430688214" source="/post/10306/threadWas under the impression one of the mods that DB had done was a wall installed in-between his toy-hauler area, where the sauna and washer and dryer is. But maybe the door in the picture he posted was for something else sorry my mistake.
Hi Tag9147 - Okay I understand now. db did write that they did have a wall separating their 'garage' (sauna + washer area) from the living space. db's pics do not show that wall. Hopefully db will see your request and post a picture or two.
If you had a wall would you put a vehicle in the 'garage' part? It would seem that unless the toy hauler is big such a wall could reduce the flexibility.
The garage part is going to house at least 3 dog crates. We have 3 adult dogs German Shepherds right now and a puppy. Also hoping to be able to fit a small grill as our team does a lot of group dinners.
The idea of the wall would keep the fur and dust in the back and out of our bed and food.
[quote source="/post/10332/thread" timestamp="1430740225" author="@tag9147"]The garage part is going to house at least 3 dog crates. We have 3 adult dogs German Shepherds right now and a puppy. Also hoping to be able to fit a small grill as our team does a lot of group dinners.
The idea of the wall would keep the fur and dust in the back and out of our bed and food. [/quote]
[attachment id="853" thumbnail="1"]Hey, tag9147. We do indeed have a wall and door btwn the garage area and the living area. Got the idea from looking at the various floor plans on LL website, as I recall one of the camp lite models had such a wall. I just looked though the LL website and could not find it, may have changed floor plans. At any rate I just asked LL if they could such a wall in and they agreed. It does eliminate the ability to put toys in the back, but as u can c from my other posts that wasn't a priority for us. Originally LL was going to do a 24 inch door, I asked for a 30 inch door. Couple things to consider... We asked for the wall to be insulated, since the back was not heated or a/c'd. Also the door they put on has a couple inch gap btwn the bottom of the door and the floor. You would have to cover that some how to keep dog hair out, piece of plastic or something. Brian McKibbin at Moore's custom trailer in nappanee IN was the dealer we worked through, he'll remember the trailer with the sauna in it. He's a great guy to work with if want, and, no, we're not related.
Db
Hey Rick,
The best information would come direct from the dealer and the factory. The last bit of information I had seen suggested that the 'no wood' claim is accurate for nearly everything, however I think the ramp door is an industry standard part. So the short answer is that you will need/want to get a definitive answer from your dealer. I know over the last couple years there have been plenty of changes to the manufacturing process and the parts used so its possible this changed as well.
Curious. What error do you receive?
Currently we have no restrictions on email addresses. We have also been fortunate enough to only place a handful of spam IP addresses on the blocked list. I just checked out logs as well and see no indication of a rejection. Shoot me an email at livinliteforum@gmail.com with the email you are trying to register and a screenshot of the registration page if possible.
Thanks,
Sean