For those interested in good sound, I thought I'd write up what I did with the sound system in our 16TBS. My goal was to be able to shake the camper off the stabilizer jacks without distorting the sound and, with the windows open, allow everyone for a couple miles around to enjoy our taste in music.
There are many ways to go about this, but I decided to replace the 4 ceiling speakers, add an amplifier, and make all the necessary connections so that the television, iPhone, iPad, and factory radio were all integrated. The factory Jensen radio has an ok signal out for everything but the DVD. That output is a very low quality video signal. If playing DVDs is important to you, either get a television with an integrated DVD player, or plan on adding a separate DVD player. Replacing the speakers and adding an amplifier sounds really nice with all the signals, including broadcast TV, streaming video, streaming audio, Bluetooth, FM, AM, and CD.
The basic process was to remove the 4 original ASA Electronics (Jensen) 2-way speakers and replace them with Infinity Kappa 62.11 2-way speakers. All the speakers, both old and new, are 6.5 inch. To adequately power the new ones, I'm adding a Clarion 300 watt (total) 4-channel amplifier with speaker-level inputs/outputs. The speakers don't achieve my original goals stated above, but it sounds nice and we've not been asked to leave a campsite yet (at least not due to the sound system).
The Infinity speakers have several significant advantages over the factory speakers in both engineering and construction. The sound quality is outstanding; they are by far my favorite speakers for any mobile audio, with great range, clarity, and imaging.
When removing the original speakers, I vacuumed up piles of Styrofoam insulation and metal shavings in the housing from their factory installation. Those of you that have removed a flickering ceiling light fixture and found that junk too----think 10 times the amount! I found no insulation in the gap between the speaker and the roof, so I added foam insulation (Fatmat) in that area.
I also found the factory speakers wired incorrectly. When installing multiple speakers, it's critical to keep the polarity (+ and -) the same. That way the woofers are all going in the same direction. In our Camplite, the speakers were somewhat randomly wired with respect to polarity, which meant the speakers were out of phase and therefore cancelled each other out in the low-mid frequencies. That contributed to the lousy factory sound that led me to work on the sound system in the first place. There simply was no bass. I would have done the conversion anyway, but had I known the original wiring was screwed up, I would have fixed that first to see what it sounded like. The new speakers came with all the adapters and grills to make it an easy replacement.
The Clarion amp fits directly beneath the factory radio and is wired in parallel with the speaker outputs of the factory radio. It's a straightforward, one wire at a time, kind of thing. But it's not for the faint of heart when it comes to wiring. There are a minimum of 18 connections to make (8 in, 8 out, plus power). In fact, just looking at the rat's nest of wiring in the radio cabinet done by the factory is daunting. In addition, I'm adding a separate on-off switch for the amp so it doesn't draw power when idle. All connections were done with crimp-type heat-shrink connectors, not the clamp connectors the factory used. Clamp connectors are usually ok in dry environments, but moisture can cause those clamp connectors to corrode and become bad electrically over time.
I ran a new stereo audio wire from the television to the radio so that we can listen to anything playing on the television using the good speakers. I also added a Command tray next to the radio for an iPhone so that we can connect the two with Bluetooth easily and play anything on the iPhone using the good speakers. I left the video from the DVD player in the radio connected to the television, but the video quality (think 1990's ) is so poor by modern standards (HDMI) that we'll likely never use it.
Several photos follow, for those interested in what various things look like. The original ASA speakers. The new Infinity speakers. The empty speaker area showing the ceiling construction.
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[quote source="/post/17614/thread" timestamp="1452388688" author="@sandroad"]My goal was to be able to shake the camper off the stabilizer jacks without distorting the sound and, with the windows open, allow everyone for a couple miles around to enjoy our taste in music.
[/quote] P-) You have pirate blood!
I love the goal and the attitude. I'm now waiting for your write up on adding out side speakers.
Good call on the upgrades. I have enjoyed audio upgrades in home and in car for many years. Our CampLite didn't even have cables connecting the TV to the DVD player - seriously?!? I have noticed the speakers are quite cheap and 'pingy' and I also wonder about the output of the head unit / DVD player. I have many other upgrades I'd like to do to the camper first, but the audio system is certainly on my mind.
I also ran cables from the TV output to the radio/DVD/headunit input. The signal is very weak and I have to turn up the headunit to 30 out of 39 to make it audible, therefore hurting the sound quality. Maybe your amp handles it better.
I'm inferring you didn't need to upgrade the wiring. That would be tricky. Hopefully there is enough of an improvement with the amp and speakers.
I have two 15" Rockford Fosgate subwoofers sitting in the garage... I think there is space under the queen bed, maybe under the cabinets under the sink, maybe under the bunk beds... oh, the possibilities!
Would you be willing to add some additional pictures of the amp placement and wiring? I would like to mimic this at some point but am curious how you ended up doing the power, wiring and on/off switch.
I'll see what I can do for photos. On my 16TBS, the head unit is mounted in a fairly small cabinet high over the sink and facing rear. Getting good photos is tricky because access to that space is through the main cabinet over the sink and it's pretty confined; closeups only! I'm going to take the access panel off anyway to drill some ventilation holes, so I'll post pics soon.
Finally got around to removing the panel in the cabinet and taking a couple of pics of the amp and switch. The Clarion amp sits just below the factory head unit (radio) and is held in with velcro. There are 8 wires out of each end of the amp (4 speakers "in" and "out" with + and - each), plus the 2 power wires that tap into the wires already going to the head unit. I installed a switch for the amp on the cabinet just below the head unit and the leads for that go into the amp (it came with remote turn-on leads for that purpose). The Infinity label just to the right of the amp switch is just something I stuck on there for fun, since the speakers are Infinity. I'm getting some distortion that I think is from the amp over-driving the output of the head unit. It's not bad, but it bothers me enough to continue to work on the sound system. What I really need is a full HD DVD player with a surround sound receiver and HDMI outputs to our HD TV. That won't happen soon, but I can always dream. ;)
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Quote from: @purdytj" source="/post/17887/thread" timestamp="1453173210Good call on the upgrades. I have enjoyed audio upgrades in home and in car for many years. Our CampLite didn't even have cables connecting the TV to the DVD player - seriously?!? I have noticed the speakers are quite cheap and 'pingy' and I also wonder about the output of the head unit / DVD player. I have many other upgrades I'd like to do to the camper first, but the audio system is certainly on my mind.
I also ran cables from the TV output to the radio/DVD/headunit input. The signal is very weak and I have to turn up the headunit to 30 out of 39 to make it audible, therefore hurting the sound quality. Maybe your amp handles it better.
I'm inferring you didn't need to upgrade the wiring. That would be tricky. Hopefully there is enough of an improvement with the amp and speakers.
I have two 15" Rockford Fosgate subwoofers sitting in the garage... I think there is space under the queen bed, maybe under the cabinets under the sink, maybe under the bunk beds... oh, the possibilities!
I forgot to respond to this last winter. By all means, install those 15 inchers under the bunk beds firing up. Run a good signal to them and you'll have a nice massage.
Thank you for posting the pics.
I just bought this and haven't installed it yet:
[a href="http://www.amazon.com/HomeSpot-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transmitter-supported/dp/B00QV77YIC?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00"]
http://www.amazon.com/HomeSpot-Wireless-Bluetooth-Transmitter-supported/dp/B00QV77YIC?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
[/a]To explain, in the cabinet overtop the bed, I just put a Playstation 3 that has the ability to play BluRay and of course some games with my son should we get stuck inside from rain. So the PS3 has a HDMI connection running to the TV. Now, on the back of my Samsung TV there is an Optical/Toslink output. I went on Amazon and found that device above. I should be able to connect either bluetooth headphones to it OR even the built-in Jensen via bluetooth. We will see how it works. Not sure if latency will make it terrible. But it's worth a try. If it works, I'll be able to play BluRay on the TV and have digital quality audio over the interior speakers without having to run more cable. It won't be surround of course but it's irrelevant based on the speaker setup anyway.
The audio system installed in our trailer doesn't play the TV sound over the interior ceiling speakers. The interior speakers are only connected to the radio and the DVD player. I would have to take off the back access panel off of the main stereo unit and split the audio cables and attach them into the AUX connection in order to get the TV sound over the interior speakers. We should have had the dealer do this the last time that we had the trailer in, because I don't have the right screwdriver to get that back panel off. Dusty - Does your TV sound play over the ceiling speakers?
The panel screws take a #2 square drive bit.
Our Samsung TV has stereo audio out jacks and the Jensen head unit has stereo audio in jacks so having the TV sound from the ceiling speakers was simply a matter of pulling an audio cable from the TV location to the radio location. Fairly easy on the 16TBS.
[quote timestamp="1459949526" author="@gbpack" source="/post/20270/thread"]The audio system installed in our trailer doesn't play the TV sound over the interior ceiling speakers. The interior speakers are only connected to the radio and the DVD player. I would have to take off the back access panel off of the main stereo unit and split the audio cables and attach them into the AUX connection in order to get the TV sound over the interior speakers. We should have had the dealer do this the last time that we had the trailer in, because I don't have the right screwdriver to get that back panel off. Dusty - Does your TV sound play over the ceiling speakers?[/quote]
I agree with Merlin - that is how I rigged up TV sound to my ceiling (head-unit powered) speakers. Honestly, I'd leave the dealer out of it. They may know less about it and screw it up more. Unless they have a car audio person on staff, I can see them putting things in the wrong place and frying the head unit or TV audio jacks.
Quote from: @gbpack" source="/post/20270/thread" timestamp="1459949526The audio system installed in our trailer doesn't play the TV sound over the interior ceiling speakers. The interior speakers are only connected to the radio and the DVD player. I would have to take off the back access panel off of the main stereo unit and split the audio cables and attach them into the AUX connection in order to get the TV sound over the interior speakers. We should have had the dealer do this the last time that we had the trailer in, because I don't have the right screwdriver to get that back panel off. Dusty - Does your TV sound play over the ceiling speakers?
I don't know if it does. I've not tried.
However, with the bluetooth device I linked to I SHOULD be able to send a bluetooth audio signal to the Jensen unit since the Jensen unit allows for a bluetooth connection. It will end up being a workaround of sorts and allow me to keep a digital signal all the way through.
Quote from: @thedusty" source="/post/20276/thread" timestamp="1459950787
I don't know if it does. I've not tried.
However, with the bluetooth device I linked to I SHOULD be able to send a bluetooth audio signal to the Jensen unit since the Jensen unit allows for a bluetooth connection. It will end up being a workaround of sorts and allow me to keep a digital signal all the way through.[/quote]
Good point. I forgot that the main unit has Bluetooth capabilities. So your new decibe should do the trick!! Thanks!
Nice upgrade! I envy you guys with the full size radio space. Mine is equipped with the single DIN over the sink.
Had to replace it with a Kenwood Excelon 998 in order to get full control with two USB's, Sat Radio, the TV//DVD player and Hand-Free Bluetooth comms. The wiring and routing was terribly tight. And with only two OEM speakers mounted (where, again, most screws were only into the Azdel...(thanks, LL)....) was forced to add enclosed home stereo speakers for fuller sound.
Merlin, a couple basic questions:
- Where do you normally buy your crimp-type heat-shrink connectors? I was looking on Amazon but curious if best to get them at say Home Depot in smaller quantities... Also, what gauge did you end up using? Do you use just a pair of pliers to crimp or the special crimping tool? Sorry for the basic questions, I've not used these before and you may a good point about why they should be used.
- Do you use a heat gun for the heat-shrink connectors or a small torch? I don't own a heat gun and I've used a very small torch in the past on other heat shrinking tubes...but it seems like it might be too compact of a space to try that. Curious if you have suggestions.
- Also, I'm thinking about getting this [a href=""]Alpine Amp[/a] for these [a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hertz-ECX-165-5-Coaxial-Speakers/dp/B00B5GK05I?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00"]Hertz Speakers[/a] I just ordered. I heard the Hertz speakers in a car audio store once and fell in love... I've been a fan of Alpine in the past. Let me know if you have any reasons to steer away from it.
Thank you...
Go to the nearest Napa.
No, wait. Forget that.
Go to the nearest Harbor Freight.
Read the instructions on the heat shrink. The ones I got just require a lighter. ymmv
Quote from: @gbpack" source="/post/20270/thread" timestamp="1459949526The audio system installed in our trailer doesn't play the TV sound over the interior ceiling speakers. The interior speakers are only connected to the radio and the DVD player. I would have to take off the back access panel off of the main stereo unit and split the audio cables and attach them into the AUX connection in order to get the TV sound over the interior speakers. We should have had the dealer do this the last time that we had the trailer in, because I don't have the right screwdriver to get that back panel off. Dusty - Does your TV sound play over the ceiling speakers?
Our new 2016 16 DBS with the Jensen system would not play the sound from the TV through the ceiling speakers. However, it would play the FM, DVD, BLUETOOTH. It didn't make sense. Took off the cabinet azdel to exposed the back of the Jensen. RCA cables from the TV were hooked up to the video and
audio input of the Jensen. Checked the TV connections. The audio from the Jensen was hooked up to the
audio input of the TV (wrong). Simply switched the connections on the TV to audio output and now have the sound from the TV coming through the ceiling speakers using the AUX mode on the Jensen. We adjust the TV sound a little higher and the Jensen sound doesn't have to be set so high. It works great.
So if there are "no TV sound through ceiling speaker" issues, check the TV connections first.
Glad that you got yours working. I think our problem is that our TV doesn't have "audio-out" on the back of it. It's a new Samsung LED TV so I can only surmise that Samsung isn't manufacturing TV's with audio-out areas on the back anymore. Since that's the case with mine, I can't run cables from the back of the TV to the AUX spots on the back of the Jensen receiver. Therefore, the only thing I could do is buy a devise like Dusty's that sends Bluetooth signal from the TV to the Jensen unit. I believe that the devices like Dusty's plug into a USB plug on the back of the TV, but I'll have to look into it further.
Quote from: @gbpack" source="/post/20935/thread" timestamp="1462218294Glad that you got yours working. I think our problem is that our TV doesn't have "audio-out" on the back of it. It's a new Samsung LED TV so I can only surmise that Samsung isn't manufacturing TV's with audio-out areas on the back anymore. Since that's the case with mine, I can't run cables from the back of the TV to the AUX spots on the back of the Jensen receiver. Therefore, the only thing I could do is buy a devise like Dusty's that sends Bluetooth signal from the TV to the Jensen unit. I believe that the devices like Dusty's plug into a USB plug on the back of the TV, but I'll have to look into it further.
I'll actually be using a toslink/optical output on the back of the tv. If you post a pic of the back of your TV, I can try and assist. I'm not great at mechanical stuff (yet), but this type of stuff I'm decent with...
Quote from: @gbpack" timestamp="1462218294" source="/post/20935/threadGlad that you got yours working. I think our problem is that our TV doesn't have "audio-out" on the back of it. It's a new Samsung LED TV so I can only surmise that Samsung isn't manufacturing TV's with audio-out areas on the back anymore. Since that's the case with mine, I can't run cables from the back of the TV to the AUX spots on the back of the Jensen receiver. Therefore, the only thing I could do is buy a devise like Dusty's that sends Bluetooth signal from the TV to the Jensen unit. I believe that the devices like Dusty's plug into a USB plug on the back of the TV, but I'll have to look into it further.
Your Samsung TV may be like ours and have a headphone jack (mini stereo plug) on the back that can be used for audio out. If you run a cable from that to the L-R RCA jacks "in" on the back of the Jensen, you'll have TV sound through the ceiling.
[quote timestamp="1462156103" author="@thedusty" source="/post/20923/thread"]Merlin, a couple basic questions:
- Where do you normally buy your crimp-type heat-shrink connectors? I was looking on Amazon but curious if best to get them at say Home Depot in smaller quantities... Also, what gauge did you end up using? Do you use just a pair of pliers to crimp or the special crimping tool? Sorry for the basic questions, I've not used these before and you may a good point about why they should be used.
- Do you use a heat gun for the heat-shrink connectors or a small torch? I don't own a heat gun and I've used a very small torch in the past on other heat shrinking tubes...but it seems like it might be too compact of a space to try that. Curious if you have suggestions.
- Also, I'm thinking about getting this [a href=""]Alpine Amp[/a] for these [a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hertz-ECX-165-5-Coaxial-Speakers/dp/B00B5GK05I?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00"]Hertz Speakers[/a] I just ordered. I heard the Hertz speakers in a car audio store once and fell in love... I've been a fan of Alpine in the past. Let me know if you have any reasons to steer away from it.
Thank you...
[/quote]I use Raychem heat-shrink Duraseal butt splices in various sizes for pretty much all electrical connections. I get them at the Home Depot in packages of 25. For the audio system, I used 14-16 AWG. I'm a big fan of these because they are easy to use, reliable, durable, and waterproof after being shrunk.
To shrink them, or any heat-shrink tubing, I use a mini-heat gun. One of the best $20 I ever spent for electrical work. After years of losing my eyebrows and scorching things with torches, matches, lighters, and anything else that would burn while trying to shrink connectors, I now exclusively use a heat gun. Fast, easy, and safe in tight places. Below is one example from Amazon, but the Home Depot has them in the mini-size too.
There is a special crimping tool for the connectors that makes it real easy to get a good crimp. Below is a multi-tool that crimps and strips and cuts. I couldn't find one without all the connectors included too and those included are not heat-shrink. So use this as an example, not necessarily the one to get!
http://www.amazon.com/XtremepowerUS-Solderless-Terminal-Connectors-Strippers/dp/B00H4LOL7G/ref=sr_1_7?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1462229771&sr=1-7&keywords=electrical+connector+crimper
http://www.amazon.com/ECG-HG-300D-Mini-Heat-Gun/dp/B003N3G4WY/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1462228685&sr=1-7&keywords=heat+gun
The Hertz speakers are great. I couldn't click on the link to the Alpine amp, so I can't offer any thoughts on that. Alpine makes good stuff, but I don't know if that one will integrate easily with the Jensen radio in the camper like my Clarion did.
Merlin: This is amazingly helpful and exactly what I was hoping to learn. Thank you.
Here is the alpine amp again. Hopefully this link works.
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-KTP-445U-4-channel-Power-Amplifier/dp/B003VVYL46?ie=UTF8&colid=1Q7QCMH2J5WXT&coliid=I3S46I23W4MY45&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl#Ask
Quote from: @thedusty" source="/post/20942/thread" timestamp="1462232397Merlin: This is amazingly helpful and exactly what I was hoping to learn. Thank you.
Here is the alpine amp again. Hopefully this link works.
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-KTP-445U-4-channel-Power-Amplifier/dp/B003VVYL46?ie=UTF8&colid=1Q7QCMH2J5WXT&coliid=I3S46I23W4MY45&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl#Ask
Well, that's a bummer. It's a more versatile amp than I have. (rofl) Seriously though, it looks like it will be perfect for the job. Good power without a lot of heat, will connect up fine to the Jensen radio, and will supply 45 watts per channel at 4 ohms to your 4 ohm Hertz speakers. Nice find. I don't know where the factory radio is in the 21, but in the 16TBS that amp would fit great in the space below it. If you want all the details and specs and to take a look at the owner's manual before ordering, Crutchfield is a master at providing everything up front. In fact, I often pay a bit more and buy from Crutchfield for audio because they are so helpful in installation and technical advice. I only wish I had found that Alpine a few months ago.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500KTP445U/Alpine-KTP-445U-Power-Pack.html?search=Alpine_KTP-445U&skipvs=T
Quote from: @sandroad" source="/post/20943/thread" timestamp="1462240225[quote timestamp="1462232397" author="@thedusty" source="/post/20942/thread"]Merlin: This is amazingly helpful and exactly what I was hoping to learn. Thank you.
Here is the alpine amp again. Hopefully this link works.
http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-KTP-445U-4-channel-Power-Amplifier/dp/B003VVYL46?ie=UTF8&colid=1Q7QCMH2J5WXT&coliid=I3S46I23W4MY45&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl#Ask
Well, that's a bummer. It's a more versatile amp than I have. (rofl) Seriously though, it looks like it will be perfect for the job. Good power without a lot of heat, will connect up fine to the Jensen radio, and will supply 45 watts per channel at 4 ohms to your 4 ohm Hertz speakers. Nice find. I don't know where the factory radio is in the 21, but in the 16TBS that amp would fit great in the space below it. If you want all the details and specs and to take a look at the owner's manual before ordering, Crutchfield is a master at providing everything up front. In fact, I often pay a bit more and buy from Crutchfield for audio because they are so helpful in installation and technical advice. I only wish I had found that Alpine a few months ago.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500KTP445U/Alpine-KTP-445U-Power-Pack.html?search=Alpine_KTP-445U&skipvs=T
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Thank you for taking a look at it. It's good to hear I made a decent choice.
The Jensen is up by a cabinet over the sink. I believe it should fit in there ok.
Hello,
I am struggling with the sound quality as well but have thought out a very basic solution with low costs and easy installation.
Recently I purchased a bluetooth portable speaker. The UE BOOM 2, got it from the Apple store, great sound! We camp in the mountains where the weather constantly changes, if it gets snowed on or rained on while outside not a big deal.
Now I am going to purchase a bluetooth transmitter and simply plug this into the audio in on the back of the stereo. The cable can simply be run up though the countertop hole and the transmitter can be easily accessed for re-charging. I have allot of music c.d.'s that I have not installed on i Tunes yet, now I can possibly play them as usual and have the bluetooth speaker outside or inside. I am sure I can select the standard speakers to off in the stereos setup menu. That little speaker sounds much better in the trailer than those awful stock speakers.
I just have to select and order a transmitter. Too many to choose from.
What do you all think to this idea?
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I picked up a King RV Speaker and Light. I hooked it up and cannot get it to pair with the Jensen Radio via Bluetooth. I am able to pair it to my iPhone so I know the Speaker/Light works but no success with pairing with the Jensen Radio. Anyone had success doing this. Email sent to King Media asking for their advice but a holiday weekend and such.
Thanks in Advance,
Chuck
[quote timestamp="1473035746" author="@charleschapman" source="/post/24354/thread"]I picked up a King RV Speaker and Light. I hooked it up and cannot get it to pair with the Jensen Radio via Bluetooth. I am able to pair it to my iPhone so I know the Speaker/Light works but no success with pairing with the Jensen Radio. Anyone had success doing this. Email sent to King Media asking for their advice but a holiday weekend and such.
Thanks in Advance,
Chuck [/quote]Have you been able to pair via BT anything to the Jensen head unit? If you've paired the speaker to your iPhone successfully, maybe the problem is with the Jensen.
No luck pairing anything yet to the Jensen unit. It is known to have iPhone pairing issues. I will try the wife's android phone next.
Do you have either the Quick Reference Guide or the Owner's Manual for the Jensen? If not, I can copy the BT instructions and post them.
I have them. My son said he paired his phone to the Jensen.
King RV Media sent an email stating that it cannot pair with the Jensen Radio AWM968.
I asked if I could return it but since it is for playing our Sirius Satellite radio I am going to see if I can get it to work with a Bluetooth plug in transmitter and send the music out that way.
Swilky great minds think a like. I picked up a Tao Blue Tooth Transmitter and hooked it directly to the Sirius Radio output. No issues pairing with the King RV Speaker. I now will try to pair it with the Jensen too. If not a hard wired stereo splitter is working already.
You could also hook it to the Audio out too on the Jensen head unit but the Tao needs USB power and I am not sure if I want to bury it that far just yet.
Used the TAO Bluetooth transmitter from Amazon [a href="https://smile.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Transmitter-TaoTronics-Connected-Transmission/dp/B00P24XKS8/ref=pd_sim_107_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=VEPCTJEVR8ZH7CN46NCT"]BT XMIT[/a]
We bought one of the TAO Bluetooths also. Will be another option and the price is more than right. Thanks for that tip.
I do have a question.
We have the 2016 16TBS. Maybe someone can tell me what the mounting depth is for speakers in the ceilings? I had mine out to put a few (not wired speakers back in to action ) but did not take notice of the depth. I'm looking to add better after markets and there are a lot of options out there. It really comes down to this one question. How much depth is there ? Most after markets are around 4 to 6 inches deep.
Does anyone know? Trying to be lazy and not go pull one out to measure.
Thanks for any help on this.