[p]Who on this forum does not like aluminum? Well, waited for the right deal to come around to upgrade my old work truck. Managed to find the right deal on this 2015 Ford F-150 XLT. It is the V8 5.0 litre with tow package and lots of goodies. Needless to say we are retiring the Escape from hoss duties from here on out. 2300lbs payload and 9200lb tow rating. Just need to find the time for camping now in the busy work season.[/p][p]
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Congratulations! Let us know how you like it and how it performs.
Will make towing a dream!
[quote source="/post/14950/thread" timestamp="1441675770" author="@leslie"]Congratulations! Let us know how you like it and how it performs.[/quote][p]Sure will, Leslie. And thanks![/p][p]
[/p][p]Last piece of the pie is fitting the integral brake controller. It is the difference between the tow package and the max tow package. The dealer is fitting this next week. [/p][p]
[/p][p]So far I have been able to achieve the 21mpg highway rating on cruise control. The truck handles and rides carlike. The16DB sets level. There is ~1" of squat.[/p][p]
[/p][p]No more TV excuses now. Moab is callin'.
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[quote source="/post/14968/thread" timestamp="1441692141" author="@larry1981"]Will make towing a dream![/quote][p]I sure hope so, Larry. Gotta say the 2014 Escape Ti w/2.0l Eco-Boost has served us very well outside of one specific trip to the Catskill mountains NY on to Coal Country PA. Then, the Escape kept bouncing off the integrated "Reduced Power Mode" protections. This with packing light and balanced to anal proportions. This was unacceptable.[/p][p]
[/p][p]I look forward to getting the type of reliability I had with my old 2006 Econoline E-250.....without the [strong]rust[/strong] of course. If the E-250 didn't rust out like it did here in New England under real work conditions I would have kept it. In thirty years this new truck will be my coffin if I can help it.[/p][p]
[/p][p]We can now proceed to take our 12' rigid inflatable boat, our 20hp Suzuki outboard, our backpacking gear, our bikes and bikepacking gear, full tanks (including 36gal truck fuel tank), our generator....AND our 38lb dog too! 8-)[/p][p]
[/p][p]Favorite feature will be the Towing Information Screen that is menu select on the steering wheel. I love the transmission temperature gauge built-in, even in the normal screen.
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MOAB is a great choice pulled my camper there for a week a few weeks after I got it. Dead Horse Point State Park is fantastic they allow dog's and you can take them out on the trails. You are right in between Canyonlands and The Arches. They have electric but no additional hookups. Bathrooms are also really nice but no showers. But not a problem as I filled up my fresh water before getting there and it lasted fine.
I can finally stop worrying about you. Whew!
[quote source="/post/15010/thread" timestamp="1441752469" author="@sandroad"]I can finally stop worrying about you. Whew![/quote][p] (rofl) Do you mean worrying about me crashing into you or me crashing into me?[/p][p]
[/p][p]It is most likely that my wife will get another Eco Boost something or other when she does her 2 year upgrade next fall. We will revert back to her (much more capable next time) vehicle for towing again. She just has a funny way of keeping her vehicle clean and free of power tools, ladders and grease which makes for a more pleasurable and leisurely journey.[/p][p]
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[/p][p]I felt the 5.0l would be best for a twenty year attempt as a work truck. I only put on ~8k per year for work.[/p][p]
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[quote timestamp="1441714923" author="@craigd" source="/post/14978/thread"]MOAB is a great choice pulled my camper there for a week a few weeks after I got it. Dead Horse Point State Park is fantastic they allow dog's and you can take them out on the trails. You are right in between Canyonlands and The Arches. They have electric but no additional hookups. Bathrooms are also really nice but no showers. But not a problem as I filled up my fresh water before getting there and it lasted fine.[/quote]Thanks for the tip! This trip won't happen this year. I saved your advice as the dog is real important to us. If it wasn't for her I would have gotten a regular cab and saved thousands. It amazes me the places that are no dogs allowed...
Well I work in the automotive industry used car segment. Although I have not seen but one (I personally touch around 10,000 cars a year and with the people I work with touch a million cars a year, I have only seen one bad Eco boost it was an f150 with way to many miles prob abused blowing smoke) no other issues. I was very worried about them when they came out but have not seen many problems with them so far. I am a Ford man but will be the first to let anyone know about a problem. Like the 04 and up 5.4 cam phaser noise on the expedition and f150.
I think they did good with the Eco Boost lineup. Not too many related problems reported except fuel economy. I think they are a good choice for an owner that intends to trade-in or upgrade within reasonable mileages. Or for those that can buy them cheap with high mileage and invest repairs in them.
My wife upgrades every two years. I try to never upgrade so this is a big event round here for me.
So far I am glad I did not get a Eco in this truck. It is averaging only 3 MPG less than she is getting comparing the 5.0L vs the 2.0L Eco. A full size truck...I'm real happy so far.
[quote timestamp="1441941081" source="/post/15143/thread" author="@whoofit"]So far I am glad I did not get a Eco in this truck. It is averaging only 3 MPG less than she is getting comparing the 5.0L vs the 2.0L Eco. A full size truck...I'm real happy so far.
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[p]Charlie, just to avoid confusion, what you quoted above reflects a comparison of an F-150 5.0 to an Escape EB 2.0.
I did intentionally choose the 5.0 over the EB. The 5.0 is actually one of the least available engines in my area. To find the 5.0 with just enough options in the right combination at the right price took some time and searching.
It was unfortunate that my favorite dealer could not manage to wrangle this truck from the dealer that I bought it from. The two do not have a swap agreement. My favorite dealer is doing the bed liner this afternoon and I feel bad about not buying the F-150 from him.
I bought the 5.0 because:
There is no replacement for displacement.
The [strong]real world[/strong] fuel mileage is nearly identical to the EB.
The HP/Torque curve of either engine is well beyond sufficient for my needs.
The 302 engine has a long track record of dependability.
The start/stop driving I do is conducive to turbo failure.
200,000 RPM's can't be good for long term reliability.
If I want twin turbos in the future the cost will be $7k and will make around 800HP.
So, I value the EB more for increased HP/Torque when trying to fit an engine into a smaller space (as is the case with my wife's Escape). But if in a larger vehicle like a full size truck give me a good performing V8. Keep in mind that I never intend to part with this vehicle and total cost of ownership is important.[/p][p]
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[font size="3"]Whoofit,
I understand your reasoning and I tend to agree with you. I asked because I have always wanted a 150 and almost bought one to tow the 21RBS. However, it was just too big for my wife to drive and, with the new higher box sides, just too hard to access everything in the back without a step stool. However. if I ever go bigger than the 21, or I find my supercharged 4.0L Tacoma inadequate in the Rockies, I may relook the 150. So I'm trying to resolve my internal EB vs V8 conflict. I agree with your first and second comments. No substitute for cubes. However, the EB's higher torque at much lower RPMs is attractive. I don't like the sound of a screaming high rpm small engine. Can't be good for longevity. I also remember my turbo experience with a 1962 Corvair. By the time the turbo kicked in I didn't need it anymore!
I added the Tacoma TRD supercharger (belt driven, not turbo) specifically to counteract altitude related loss of performance. I'm testing it as we speak, so I'll know soon. That is another attraction to the EB. I think Ford's motivation for the EB is to try to meet the EPA's fuel economy requirements. But since my TV's only function is towing, no daily driving, that's not a factor for me. As you know, MPG while towing is almost entirely determined by TT cross section.
So I continue to struggle with the V8 vs EB . I just wish I could still get a small V8 in a small truck. The EB's torque at 2500 RPM is very attractive, but the old reliable 300-400 cu in V8s have a long proven track record. Inputs like yous are very helpful. Thanks a lot.
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Here is my take on the small Eco Boost V6 vs the bigger naturally aspirated V8.
For all around driving the EB is lighter and gets somewhat better mileage than the V8. That engine only produces about 30 hp while running at a steady state 60 mph with no tow. That is a small fraction of its maximum hp and is also small for its 3.5 liter displacement. When you punch it to enter a freeway or just to impress your girlfriend, you are putting out its enormous torque (for its displacement) for only a few seconds. So the stress is nothing like towing and is manageable.
Now hook up a 5,000 lb trailer with a large cross section and your mileage will drop to near 12 mpg at 60 mph whether you are pulling with an EB V6 or the bigger V8. The hp required more than doubles. But even that would be ok on a flat, steady state road, maybe 60 hp. Still not too much for a 3.5 liter V6.
Now head up a long 8% grade with that rig. Unless you want to gear down and go slow (which is what I would recommend) you will be pulling a lot of torque from that engine. And for a long time, maybe 10 minutes not 5 seconds like entering the freeway. The stress on the engine skyrockets, the turbos are dumping a bunch of extra air into the cylinders. The exhaust gas temperatures (EGTs) skyrocket. All bad for the engine.
The V8 OTOH will do this with 2/3 the stress on the engine components and more importantly less EGT. High EGT means less life to the valves.
So for towing I would much prefer the bigger V8. It can take the heavy torque of towing easier and will last longer.
David
Charlie, I would much prefer what you did and have a supercharger on my work truck. Like you said, the 2.7l EB is a towing monster! Very sexy indeed. But in my position carrying at least 1/2 ton or more payload every day of the week means I would always be in Turbo Territory for that vehicle. A SC solution like yours would be a better fit for economy and longevity (in my humble opinion).
So, for instance, I drive 25 miles in hilly New England to a job with 3/4 ton loaded onboard, maybe towing another 3/4 ton. My turbos have gotten me there in Nascar fashion at the expense of fuel economy. They are running red hot (200,000 rpm) and I shut down the motor. The oil contained in the turbos now is stagnant. I do not feel comfortable with this scenario. Rinse and repeat daily for a dozen years.
From what I have read about you, you have already gotten through Colorado successfully on paper. The real world test is only a formality. Anxiously awaiting your results...
[quote source="/post/15162/thread" timestamp="1441985462" author="@david"]Here is my take on the small Eco Boost V6 vs the bigger naturally aspirated V8.
For all around driving the EB is lighter and gets somewhat better mileage than the V8. That engine only produces about 30 hp while running at a steady state 60 mph with no tow. That is a small fraction of its maximum hp and is also small for its 3.5 liter displacement. When you punch it to enter a freeway or just to impress your girlfriend, you are putting out its enormous torque (for its displacement) for only a few seconds. So the stress is nothing like towing and is manageable.
Now hook up a 5,000 lb trailer with a large cross section and your mileage will drop to near 12 mpg at 60 mph whether you are pulling with an EB V6 or the bigger V8. The hp required more than doubles. But even that would be ok on a flat, steady state road, maybe 60 hp. Still not too much for a 3.5 liter V6.
Now head up a long 8% grade with that rig. Unless you want to gear down and go slow (which is what I would recommend) you will be pulling a lot of torque from that engine. And for a long time, maybe 10 minutes not 5 seconds like entering the freeway. The stress on the engine skyrockets, the turbos are dumping a bunch of extra air into the cylinders. The exhaust gas temperatures (EGTs) skyrocket. All bad for the engine.
The V8 OTOH will do this with 2/3 the stress on the engine components and more importantly less EGT. High EGT means less life to the valves.
So for towing I would much prefer the bigger V8. It can take the heavy torque of towing easier and will last longer.
David[/quote][p]David, one of the most forefront statements in my mind when deciding to get the EB or 5.0 was something you said a while back. It made perfect sense and kept replaying in my head like a catchy tune you just can't shake.[/p][p]
[/p][p]It went something like, and I paraphrase: "The greater difference between fuel mileage while not towing and while towing is a good rule of thumb to measure how badly you are beating on the engine." The 5.0 fits that bill as the best of the F-150 line-up.[/p][p]
[/p][p]This forum and it's members help more than they know. I read and remember everybody's words here.
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[font size="3"]Thanks Whoofit and David for your insight. I think it confirms my general impression the the EB is great for impressing yourself and the EPA, but not so great for the long haul towing application. Now where are the good old 350/351s ?
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And just to add that I can not take anything away from an individuals decision to get either or. Mine was decided based on being a work truck primarily. It's routine is well mapped. It will suffice as a long range TV if I ask it to. After the wife upgrades next year hers will resume tow duties of the CampLite. I do not want the mileage on my new F-150. It is a purchase that will not be traded-in in a couple years. It needs to last.
Have you all seen the Mike Rowe series of PR videos made by Ford? They make a great case for the EB engines in general. Ford has been busy.
[font size="3"]Whoofit,
Yes, paper meets reality. So far, driving around Denver without the trailer, I notice no difference at altitude. SC is working fine. The SC whine took a bit of getting used to, but now we hardly notice.
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[quote timestamp="1441988281" author="@charliem" source="/post/15167/thread"][font size="3"]Whoofit,
Yes, paper meets reality. So far, driving around Denver without the trailer, I notice no difference at altitude. SC is working fine. The SC whine took a bit of getting used to, but now we hardly notice.
[/font][/quote][p]I think just having a blower is slick in itself. There is a tiny amount of whir from the EB's I drove too. Coming from a service van where all the product and tools are constantly bouncing around back there any thing short of a belt squeal would go unnoticed for me.[/p][p]
[/p][p]Glad to hear it's all you knew it would be. That is a spectacular TV you have there. You are fortunate to have such a vehicle dedicated to towing only..
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[p]Had the chance to do a couple runs with this truck. First run was unloaded with only me in it. Mostly all highway from my Home to Hooksett NH. 86 miles one-way. Then we decided to take the trailer for an overnight on almost the same identical route to Allenstown NH us and the dog and full propane and fresh tanks
Unloaded on cruise control 65-70mph. 20.6mpg
Towing on cruise control 65-70mph. 12.8mpg
These numbers were verified at the pump and jive with the calculated values in the dash.
There is more sway than the Escape had. This is a bit disconcerting. That Escape is tight at the wheel when towing. The F-150 is a bit looser. A different experience. Tip of the hat in comfort goes to the Escape as I expected. The winner in fuel economy goes to the F-150 as the Escape might have eeked out 11mpg on that trip.[/p][p]
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[quote source="/post/15234/thread" timestamp="1442234215" author="@whoofit"][p]There is more sway than the Escape had. This is a bit disconcerting. That Escape is tight at the wheel when towing. The F-150 is a bit looser. A different experience.
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No mechanical bolt on sway control or WD on either, Charlie. I have a sense it has to do with the longer wheel base on the F-150 though I have no way to back that up so it's more like "just sayin" at the moment. This is my observation coming from a too small TV to a too large one. At least with the F-150 I have plenty of room in the TW and cargo capacity ratings for a WDH. The Escape has neither with the 16DB attached.
Not sure it's bad enough to invest in a WDH or sway device. Besides that the truck brutalizes the little 16DB if I ask it to.
[p]Went up to get the truck rustproofed today. The closest shop that sells my preferred brand was quite a haul away. It looks like the MPG's are improving. These are numbers I got with cruise set to 65-71 mph.
1st leg to the shop at 80F.
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Thought you might like this. They are developing a TT with the Ford brand soon too. It will unfortunately have a steel frame. It will be the only TT they will build with a steel frame.
Had a chance to visit LL factory yesterday and got some good info I'll share later.
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[p] Thanks for the pics. Those are some pretty awesome looking TC's. This is huge for LL....and a big win for Ford too. 8-) I did hear it is a compromise on some of the dyed-in-the-wool LL attributes. But that's Ford for you. Too big to fail and powerful enough to back that up..[/p]
I will bet that Ford specified a steel frame for their branded trailer as a resut of a simple marketing need. Their trucks have steel frames and aluminum bodies, so how could they promote an aluminum frame in a trailer pulled by a steel frame truck?
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[quote source="/post/15526/thread" timestamp="1443305502" author="@david"]I will bet that Ford specified a steel frame for their branded trailer as a resut of a simple marketing need. Their trucks have steel frames and aluminum bodies, so how could they promote an aluminum frame in a trailer pulled by a steel frame truck?
David
[/quote][p]Probably right![/p][p]
[/p][p]It seems, with recent events at LL. Ford may soon need to reconsider the Woody.
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It was probably a profit driven thing for Ford. Needed the profit margin to be higher.
[p]Truck is at the dealer for a while now. Has a constant vibration when I set the cruise control to 60-63 mph. It is very annoying.
First we were fed the old "flat spot from sitting" myth and after 3k miles no change. Second we had the wheels Road Force balanced to no avail. Third we balanced them again to no avail. Then I swapped-in the winter tires and rims, no solution.
They will try a new driveshaft today. Then on to bearings...etc. I have a funny feeling this may end up in arbitration. We may be getting a new truck per the lemon law if this persists.[/p][p]
[/p][p]Really relying on this truck now. The Escape is no longer capable of puling our travel trailer after adding 2xGC2 batteries and the Andersen No Sway...[/p]
I popped over to the f150forum.com to see if others had the vibration and found threads on it, including posts from today. Since tires/wheels are not the issue with yours, it looks like the driveshaft, transfer case rear mount, or rear differential may be possible sources of the vibration in the new F-150. Of course it could other things too, forum information is not infallible! I hope Ford finds and fixes it ASAP, but they apparently have not issued a TSB on it yet, so the dealership might have to work at it.
[quote source="/post/16333/thread" timestamp="1446045465" author="@sandroad"]I popped over to the f150forum.com to see if others had the vibration and found threads on it, including posts from today. Since tires/wheels are not the issue with yours, it looks like the driveshaft, transfer case rear mount, or rear differential may be possible sources of the vibration in the new F-150. Of course it could other things too, forum information is not infallible! I hope Ford finds and fixes it ASAP, but they apparently have not issued a TSB on it yet, so the dealership might have to work at it. [/quote][p]Thanks for taking the time Merlin![/p][p]
[/p][p]Yes it's gonna be multiple trips to the dealer again, I'm sure. What I will not tolerate is them telling me to come get the truck, it's fixed, it's acceptable, only to discover it is still not fixed. I have the Service Writer on my side, in writing now, and I'm not letting go of this. There is no way I'm sinking a penny into this repair. I will not sign off of anything until it is right.[/p][p]
[/p][p]The SW and I spoke about TSB's on this issue and you are right, there are none. It's not often enough I get to be the customer in matters such as this. I'm usually the guy trying to keep customers thoroughly happy. [/p][p]
[/p][p]So far they have been responsive and courteous.
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Truck is done and all better. Did not have a chance to find out what they did but the cruise home was smooth as silk. Reason I don't know is they are right across the street from Gillette Stadium and there is a Patriots game there tonight so the dealership closed early at 3:00 and left the truck and keys for me to get.
Pretty painless bar all the traffic.
Whew!
My Grandpa has a 2016 Ford F150 King Ranch with the 3.5 ecoboost and loves it. He just drove from Reno to Washington towing a car trailer and a truck he just bought and said he barely knew it was back there. There are quite a bit of steep grades along the way and he was passing people in the hills without a problem. Youtube also has a bunch of videos with the Ecoboost towing. Reliability is the only convern for me but in the short term they are awesome trucks. I have heard good things about the 5.0 as well but no personal experience with them. It sounds like next year they may be discontinuing the 5.0 as well. Car and Driver did a comparison between the two towing and unloaded. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-f-150-lariat-50l-v-8-4wd-vs-2016-ford-f-150-lariat-35l-ecoboost-4wd-comparison-test-2016-ford-f-150-50l-v-8-4x4-page-2
Yes, but aren't you worried that someone will wreck the truck bed by dropping a pile of concrete blocks on your truck from a great height? ;)
Quote from: @brandonboss" source="/post/24347/thread" timestamp="1472863853My Grandpa has a 2016 Ford F150 King Ranch with the 3.5 ecoboost and loves it. He just drove from Reno to Washington towing a car trailer and a truck he just bought and said he barely knew it was back there. There are quite a bit of steep grades along the way and he was passing people in the hills without a problem. Youtube also has a bunch of videos with the Ecoboost towing. Reliability is the only convern for me but in the short term they are awesome trucks. I have heard good things about the 5.0 as well but no personal experience with them. It sounds like next year they may be discontinuing the 5.0 as well. Car and Driver did a comparison between the two towing and unloaded. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-f-150-lariat-50l-v-8-4wd-vs-2016-ford-f-150-lariat-35l-ecoboost-4wd-comparison-test-2016-ford-f-150-50l-v-8-4x4-page-2
Yes, I expect 120 to 140k from this truck. Not sure about the EB's getting there trouble free but they are superior tow vehicles in the near term. 30% of all F150's sold in 2015 were 5.0's. I wonder how that percentage stands in later years?
I am pleased with my F150 but am only towing a tiny little 16DB and also tow it just fine with a much smaller vehicle as well. Either way the 5.0 is the tow capacity leader, per Ford towing guides, in the F150 line-up.
[quote source="/post/25004/thread" author="@alf" timestamp="1475008842"]Yes, but aren't you worried that someone will wreck the truck bed by dropping a pile of concrete blocks on your truck from a great height? ;) [/quote]Well they would need to get through the aluminum contractor cap, the Cargo Glide bedslide and the bedliner first but yep I think a front end loader dumping concrete blocks onto it would leave a mark.... (rofl) Old Man Winter, however, is a different story altogether.
I would love an ecoboost but am worried about reliability as well. They tow like a champ and they get all their torque at similar rpms to a diesel. To people who can afford to trade their rigs in every few years thats not an issue but whenever I get my new truck I plan on keeping it for 10+ years (only put a few thousand miles on my truck per year). I won't be buying for a couple more years so we should know more about the reliability by then.
[quote source="/post/25179/thread" timestamp="1475681626" author="@brandonboss"]I would love an ecoboost but am worried about reliability as well. They tow like a champ and they get all their torque at similar rpms to a diesel. To people who can afford to trade their rigs in every few years thats not an issue but whenever I get my new truck I plan on keeping it for 10+ years (only put a few thousand miles on my truck per year). I won't be buying for a couple more years so we should know more about the reliability by then.
[/quote]If you only put a few thousand miles per year on the truck I wouldn't think you have to worry about reliability. Assuming the issue is wear, that's only going to happen with usage so if you guess that the issue will pop up at 80k miles you can drive for 26 years at 3,000 miles per year.
My truck now is getting up their in age and has some issues so I baby it and try not to drive it much. With a new truck I will want to drive it more. Probably 5-8k a year I would guess. I've only put 40k miles on my truck in the last 8 years and most of those were put on it when I first got it.
Got it.
As I said earlier in this thread I use this truck primarily for work. Short in-town runs in a hilly area, with many starts and stops per day, and that involves towing most days. From my experience this is the worst case scenario for turbos. I have read that Ford has addressed this with oil drain holes at the bushing/bearing area and through aggressive cooling methods.
Considering my past history of needing to replace turbos at 50-60k miles I can only guess that a 20% improvement from Ford would be minimum. Unloaded highway driving you may never have a failure.
Our latest car purchase was going from an EB Escape to a normally aspirated V6 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk that eventually makes around the same HP and torgue. I don't miss the Escape one bit. The Jeep pulled through the hills of PA, West VA and VA far better than the Escape did and stayed cool as a cuke.
The Jeep gets the same fuel mileage as the Escape did towing or not, highway and city too.
Quote from: @whoofit" source="/post/25200/thread" timestamp="1475768224As I said earlier in this thread I use this truck primarily for work. Short in-town runs in a hilly area, with many starts and stops per day, and that involves towing most days. From my experience this is the worst case scenario for turbos. I have read that Ford has addressed this with oil drain holes at the bushing/bearing area and through aggressive cooling methods.
Considering my past history of needing to replace turbos at 50-60k miles I can only guess that a 20% improvement from Ford would be minimum. Unloaded highway driving you may never have a failure.
Our latest car purchase was going from an EB Escape to a normally aspirated V6 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk that eventually makes around the same HP and torgue. I don't miss the Escape one bit. The Jeep pulled through the hills of PA, West VA and VA far better than the Escape did and stayed cool as a cuke.
The Jeep gets the same fuel mileage as the Escape did towing or not, highway and city too.
Oh you got rid of your Escape? My brother have a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, really nice jeep but he had a lot of trouble and had to replace the transmission completely
[quote source="/post/25201/thread" author="@paul" timestamp="1475768758"][quote timestamp="1475768224" author="@whoofit" source="/post/25200/thread"]As I said earlier in this thread I use this truck primarily for work. Short in-town runs in a hilly area, with many starts and stops per day, and that involves towing most days. From my experience this is the worst case scenario for turbos. I have read that Ford has addressed this with oil drain holes at the bushing/bearing area and through aggressive cooling methods.
Considering my past history of needing to replace turbos at 50-60k miles I can only guess that a 20% improvement from Ford would be minimum. Unloaded highway driving you may never have a failure.
Our latest car purchase was going from an EB Escape to a normally aspirated V6 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk that eventually makes around the same HP and torgue. I don't miss the Escape one bit. The Jeep pulled through the hills of PA, West VA and VA far better than the Escape did and stayed cool as a cuke.
The Jeep gets the same fuel mileage as the Escape did towing or not, highway and city too.
[/quote]Oh you got rid of your Escape? My brother have a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, really nice jeep but he had a lot of trouble and had to replace the transmission completely
[/quote]Yes the first runs of the ZF transmissions were problems for the Cherokee. By all user reports they have solved those. It wasn't only Jeep either. Lots of makers are using it in cars. I am really impressed with the 9-speed tranny and more so with the off road and towing capabilities of the Trailhawk.
I have a hard time admitting that the Trailhawk is my wifes.....it is that much fun. Way better than the Escape.
Quote from: @whoofit" source="/post/25203/thread" timestamp="1475769489Quote from: @paul" source="/post/25201/thread" timestamp="1475768758Oh you got rid of your Escape? My brother have a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, really nice jeep but he had a lot of trouble and had to replace the transmission completely
Yes the first runs of the ZF transmissions were problems for the Cherokee. By all user reports they have solved those. It wasn't only Jeep either. Lots of makers are using it in cars. I am really impressed with the 9-speed tranny and more so with the off road and towing capabilities of the Trailhawk.
I have a hard time admitting that the Trailhawk is my wifes.....it is that much fun. Way better than the Escape.
Since they replaced the transmissions my brother didn't had problems after that. It's a really nice jeep!
The 2017 ecoboost is all new. We will see what the improvements are but they are putting a 10 speed automatic transmission behind the new ecoboost which is rated at 375hp and 470lbs of torque. They supposedly changed a lot of things to keep the truck out of boost (new transmission) and improved the cooling on the engine. Time will tell but in the short term the ecoboost is probably the best towing 1/2 ton I have researched and from people who have experience with such vehicles. Towing in the hills especially since the twin turbo's help the truck not lose as much power at elevation. The truck may need a lot of work by the time it hits 80-100k miles though. The 5.0 is more than likely going to be cheaper to maintain over the years thats for sure and get as good if not better fuel mileage.
[quote timestamp="1475770588" source="/post/25205/thread" author="@brandonboss"]The 2017 ecoboost is all new. We will see what the improvements are but they are putting a 10 speed automatic transmission behind the new ecoboost which is rated at 375hp and 470lbs of torque. They supposedly changed a lot of things to keep the truck out of boost (new transmission) and improved the cooling on the engine. Time will tell but in the short term the ecoboost is probably the best towing 1/2 ton I have researched and from people who have experience with such vehicles. Towing in the hills especially since the twin turbo's help the truck not lose as much power at elevation. The truck may need a lot of work by the time it hits 80-100k miles though. The 5.0 is more than likely going to be cheaper to maintain over the years thats for sure and get as good if not better fuel mileage. [/quote]I suppose I could call Whipple for 600-700hp if I wanted to but I would need a bigger reason than any Camplite. As I get older I want a more simple life. My Note7 cellphone could burst into flames at any moment. My favorite photography drone is gone out of business. My Camplite frame is developing a crack per year every 12,000 mile or so.
I think I'm gonna go get a hunk of bamboo and go fishing with my tent by a river, fly a kite and take up smoke signaling.....lol.
You may need to take up those new hobbies after the next election lol. Is your camplite really developing cracks in the frame? I don't even have a smart phone yet(holding out as long as I can). The small screens drive me crazy as far as texting goes. I love my laptop tho.
[quote source="/post/25208/thread" author="@brandonboss" timestamp="1475793857"]You may need to take up those new hobbies after the next election lol. Is your camplite really developing cracks in the frame? I don't even have a smart phone yet(holding out as long as I can). The small screens drive me crazy as far as texting goes. I love my laptop tho. [/quote]I rely on my phones for work but this Note7 debacle is driving me nutty. Now the replacements are starting to blow. Seems like manufacturers take liberties with Q.C. and only inspect on an AQL basis. Segway to Camplite. Here is a thread of my first cracked weld last May. http://livinlite-owners.com/thread/1103/cracked-weld-on-tongue Last month I had another on the L-bracket that holds the axle to the frame.
So now before I leave for the coast tomorrow I need to crawl under the trailer and then again forever more.
I read it over. Good thing you have friends that know what they are doing. If that was me I would be pretty upset about it. I guess you just have to roll with the punches. By the time your friends done with it it will be stronger than from the factory so thats a plus. Another thing I need to check on my trailer now lol
I was upset a little but it didn't last long. I really modified the heck out of this trailer so I guess it was all in stride. Unlike the TV purchases the trailer is a "forever purchase" to our family. It will be interesting to see how this thing holds up to 60, 80 and 100k miles.
I still love this trailer. In it, we want for nothing now. It has dents and chips all over it from all the lovin' but it was paid for on day one.